'I'm open to winning'
It was a whirlwind hour today at Harry Caray’s downtown, where the Cubs kicked off their caravan. Lou wasn’t there because he’s nursing an illness, but GM Jim Hendry was there, as were Lou’s coaches.
Of the players who made it, one of the most sought-after was reliever Kevin Gregg, who will compete with Carlos Marmol for the closer’s job, replacing Kerry Wood. I asked Gregg if he was open to the competition.
“I’m open to winning,” replied Gregg, whom the Cubs obtained in a November trade with the Marlins. “That was the most exciting thing about coming here, getting a chance to win, the opportunity of getting back to the playoffs with this team. My role? I’ll take it one step at a time. Show up healthy at spring training, talk and see where it goes from there.”
Gregg called it a good situation with him and Marmol at the back end of the bullpen.
Pitching coach Larry Rothschild said the ultimate decision would be up to Lou.
“Going in, obviously, the last couple innings hopefully are covered by Kevin and Carlos,” Rothschild said. “We’ll sort through the rest of it and see what guys fit in what roles. A lot of guys could evolve into more than that, so we’ll see.”
Let’s empty out the notebook:
--Rothschild said it was too early to say what Jeff Samardzija’s role will be. Samardzija came up from Double A last year and did a good job out of the pen. He could be a mid- to late-innings guy this year or a starter. He also could open the season at Iowa.
“I don’t know that right now is the time to project that,” Rothschild said. “He needs to pitch, and we need to see him pitch. We’ll have more information available to make a better decision. You can argue, stuff wise, both ways: in a short role letting it go, or if the pitches develop and the command, maybe he could start. Right now, I don’t think we really have enough information to make that decision.”
As much as Samardzija would like to start down the line, he seemed cool, as usual, either way about the start of ’09.
“I don’t know,” he said. “I feel like I’m in great shape. I sat around until Nov. 1, and that’s really all I could do. I tried to relax as much as I could, but I got a little fed up with just sitting around…Ultimately it doesn’t matter. I’m going to do whatever it takes, but I would love to start. I’d love to go out there and know when I’m throwing.”
--Free-agent lefty Randy Wolf remains a possibility for the back of the rotation. Wolf was 12-12 with a 4.30 ERA last year between San Diego and Houston.
--The recently traded Mark DeRosa filled in more than admirably the last two years at third base whenever Aramis Ramirez needed a break. The Cubs don’t seem to have a pure backup there anymore.
“I think Lou will bounce guys around in camp,” Hendry said. "I’m sure he’ll play (Aaron) Miles everywhere in the infield. He’ll play (Ronnie) Cedeno everywhere in the infield. He had talked to you guys in Vegas about moving (Mike) Fontenot over to playing a little shortstop, too. He can play some third, too. We’re a long way from Opening Day. We’re a long way from camp. Maybe there’s a potential addition that we don’t even know about yet that could serve a different role in a utility situation.”
The left-handed hitting Fontenot and the switch-hitting Miles figure to share time at second base, with Miles giving Ryan Theriot a breather at short on some days.
--Hendry feels he’ll add another potential backup catcher to compete with Koyie Hill, maybe within a week. He’d like that catcher hit left left-handed or to switch hit. Ex-Cub Paul Bako has been one possibility, but it doesn’t look like the right-handed hitting Henry Blanco is coming back.
--Like pitcher Rich Hill and infielder Ronny Cedeno, center fielder Felix Pie is out of minor-league options. Things don’t look good for either Hill or Pie. Hill pitched himself into the minor leagues last year and had a spotty winter-ball season, and Pie looks like a candidate to be traded.
“Felix, obviously, has played very well defensively,” Hendry said. “He has not come around very well with the bat. It’s tough. We don’t have the luxury here to say, ‘Let’s run somebody out there for 140-50 games and see if they can hit.’ We’re here to win. We’re here to win a championship. When you get to the big leagues, it’s not about development much more. It’s about winning ballgames.”
--Hendry saw some humor in how people perceived the recent trade of Jason Marquis to the Rockies.
“He was a very maligned player for a couple of years,” Hendry said. “Now, as soon as he’s gone, it’s, ‘How are we going to replace the durable Jason Marquis?’ Jason did a solid job. That’s what he’s done his whole career. I’ve always wondered why his reputation wasn’t better. Over five years, he won 65 ballgames and usually would give you 190 innings.”


Hi Bruce
Nice article - but pardon me if I sound naive here: We have acquired Gaithright to essentially be a good glove guy, but you quote Hendry as saying, ' “Felix, obviously, has played very well defensively,” Hendry said. “He has not come around very well with the bat..." '
Isn't this what Gaithright is - a defensive replacement? Pie has a WAY better arm and quite frankly, more tools. I just feel this guy has been kinda misused. Either way I am wondering about our scouting system that can bring us Pattersons and Pies only to see them flounder under expectations that seem totally out of whack. Pie should be an 8-hole hitter and not the next Bobby Bonds or Ricky Henderson.
Lou runs out of patience quickly, so if a guy doesn't produce right away, he's in a lot of trouble with Lou. In fairness to Lou, he's a pretty good hitting coach. He saw things with Pie's approach at the plate that he felt would keep Pie from hitting major-league pitching. They tried almost every approach last year. We'll see what happens when and if Pie is traded and gets a chance (or not) with another organization.
I know you've answered it before, but I still don't see why the Cubs won't consider Sheets on a one-year deal. I know we'd lose the first round pick, but we'd like get another one back if he leaves after one year and pitches effectively.
Apparently, Sheets still is asking for more money than what the Cubs can afford at this point.
please, please no paul bako.. haven't we seen his no hit, no throw bit before... the same with koye hill... they will use him because he is cheep and we need some cheep players with all of the expensive ones....
also randy wolf... what about the big lefty who was with the yankees last year, andy pettette... he is better then randy wolf...
they still need a second left in the pen.. what is with getting one of these...
He's not coming to the Cubs. They've had no serious discussions concerning him. He still wants a lot of money.
Why Wolf when we have Marshall who would probably do a better job as a fifth starter than Wolf?
I don't disagree with you, Vance. I'd give Marshall the shot. I've got a news story up on the Daily Herald site. It seems to me Hendry likes Marshall more as a swing guy at this point. But if you're looking to save some dough, Marshall comes pretty cheap and can be effective.
Bruce-
I think Jim Hendry never wants to be in a situation where they had pitchers go down and no one to fill in. The 2006 season comes to mind as the biggest disaster. It seems like since that happened, Hendry has done everything he can to assemble as much pitching as he possibly can.
I find it interesting that Theo Epstein with the Red Sox has had the same kind of reaction as Hendry. They ran short of pitching when they had injuries in 2006 and the team fell apart, similar to what happened to the Cubs. Since that season, Epstein has assembled as much pitching to start the season as he possible could.
Hendry constantly talked of the "inventory" of pitchers yesterday. He told us the Cubs could have upward of "30 arms" in camp. How much of that is quality remains to be seen, but the scars from the days of depending on Wood and Prior to be healthy are still fresh.
Where to start..where to start...
Randy Wolf seems like an interesting option. Sounds like with Samardzija, assuming they shore up the big league rotation, might be to start at Iowa to get stretched out.
That's too bad about Rich Hill. Wow, did he lose it fast or what? He was teetering in game three of the NLDS against Arizona - first pitch of the game - boom! HR. Ah, Felix Pie... looks like Corey Patterson II.
Randy Wolf has been coveted by Hendry for awhile. He wouldn't seem like a bad option, as Marshall is needed for the pen and to fill in for harden when he needs a break. Lots of veteran pitchers out there, that should come at a very good price.
Sweet god. I swear the only time Paul Bako gets a hit is in April, or against the Cubs. To count on anything more then a .220 avg, with no power, would be mistaken. All of sudden Geovany Soto becomes a guy the Cubs can't afford to lose. Why is Blanco written off so quickly? IS it money, or the love fest for more lefties?
Rich Hill is gone. He got destroyed over the winter, although MLB.com tried to spin it favorably as I just chuckled reading it.
Felix Pie is basically Joey Gathwright, so you don't need two of them. Sadly, once again Hendry has held on to these guys far longer then he should have. Much like the days when the Cubs couldn't include the infamous Pat Kline in any trade for Piazza. Now what team will give the Cubs anything for Pie when they can wait until mid March when he gets released? Hill needs to develop a change up to go along with his average heater, and Barry Zito curve. Until then, he will be nothing.
You know, the Cubs are absolutely HORRIBLE at realizing busts EARLY enough to trade to teams when their value is still high. The Braves were very good at this a couple of years ago, as Andrew Loraine can attest to. I mean, if a guy can't hit over and over again, odds are he can't hit. Patterson had one good half (2003), Hill (numbers were average at best), Pie, Brownlie, Cedeno, Guzman, Scott, Olie, Farnsworth, etc.....It's a joke. It really is. Somebody needs to give oscar acosta a wake up call and tell him this crap can't continue. I know he wasn't responsible for all of these, but come on. Hee Sop Choi is the only one they actually get credit for. We shall see, how Murton/Patterson, etc all work out for Oakland.
So the question now begs, what Cubs prospect am I going to curse about in 2-3 years that is TOO valuable to hold on to now? Vitters, etc....
With Blanco, the Cubs don't seem to want to pay him what he still thinks he can get. He'd be an expensive backup at this point, but I'd still take him.
Most of the problems with prospects occur in the drafting stage, not the developmental stage, which is headed up by Oneri Fleita. The years between Hendry being scouting director and Tim Wilken being scouting director were pretty lean. From what baseball people tell me, the fatal errors are made in scouting, and not development. In other words, it's hard to ruin a great prospect, and it's tough to turn a bad draft choice into a good player through development.
I don't recall Andrew Lorraine coming through Atlanta. I know he was with the Sox and Angels early on. The Cubs traded Terry Mulholland and Jose Hernandez to the Braves in '99 for Ruben Quevedo and Joey Nation. Oh, and Micah Bowie came in that trade, too. Yeah, the Braves knew what they were doing with those guys, and if they would have had Andrew Lorraine, they would have traded him, too.
Wrong name there. Oscar Acosta, RIP.
How did we get Andrew Lorraine? Was he part of the Karchner deal in 98?
Bruce...
The Cubs are obviously trying to improve as much as they can while spending as little as possible, so WHY does it make any sense at all to consider someone like Wolf?
Wolf will cost more than an experienced LH reliever, and if the Cubs had that reliever, Marshall would be the better and cheaper #5.
To answer my own question, it seems to me that while Hendry may "like" Wolf or other possible starters, he (Hendry) is just pretty certain that he will get the go ahead to make the Peavy deal, and all this talk about others is pure smoke that serves as pre-trade positioning.
I welcome your insight.
I agree with you that Hendry somehow feels confident he'll land Peavy. While all that is going on, he's seeing what else is out there. Like most people in baseball, Hendry probably feels he needs "experience." I still think I'd give Marshall the shot and save the dough.
Bruce...
I'd like to carry this one step further and see what you think.
I think you would agree that if the Cubs do get Peavy, they are not going to give up Marshall in the deal. Normally one would conclude that with a Rotation that includes Peavy, would leave Marshall for his "swing" spot.....BUT....
What if Hendry then turned Pie, Fontenot & Harden into a deal for Roberts????? Could MacPhail really say no to that?
Marshall gets that 5th slot after all, and that is exactly where he needs to be, while Samardzjia needs one more AAA year to stretch out to at least 165 IP while working on his slider and change.
Roberts? Haven't heard that name in awhile. If the Cubs get Peavy, Marshall may indeed go. MacPhail is liable to say no to anything, and Hendry has had no desire to revisit the Roberts circus.
Thanks Bruce for the insight.
I must say, however, that I am very surprised that you think Marshall could go for Peavy...especially after all of the times that Hendry has said exactly the opposite, or that Marshall was "going nowhere".
As for Roberts, who could blame Jim for not wanting to deal with MacPhail ever again, But if Jim doesn't have some plan in the works to get a true leadoff guy at the top of the order, then he shouldn't even be thinking about money to acquire Peavy, until leadoff is fixed (as in no more Soriano). I really don't see Miles or Gathright fitting that role as regulars or even in some kind of platoon, and fixing leadoff is FAR more important that adding depth to the rotation.
Money in such short supply that he needs to wait for new ownership to "green light" any Peavy deal, certainly suggests that IF Jim DOES have a "trick up his sleeve" to acquire a legitimate leadoff hitter, it will have to be not only a trade but a nearly payroll neutral one (Harden + Pie + Fontenot = about $8M and Roberts $8M). Now there might be additional players involved. One I can think of would be the Cubs getting O's pitcher Olson, whom Towers seems to like (to fill the PTBNL in a Peavy deal, should it go down first), but that wouldn't take much from the Cubs.
I've never heard Hendry say Marshall is going nowhere. He would have been traded last year for Roberts if that deal ever would have come about. I don't think any GM would box himself in by terming as essentially untouchable a pitcher who spent time in the minor leagues the year before.
Maybe you should read some of the articles other than from the Herald. He said it...not once but several times, and it's hard to imagine him being misquoted that many times.
Now perhaps he was speaking within the confines of the Peavy deal, or some particular question from media and some of the context was lost in the article, but he has said it.
The fact is that Lou and Jim like Marshall and they know they need young pitching coming into the rotation nearly every year to maintain the level they aspire to. He might have been more available last year or the year before, but since Hill's reversal, Marshall's stock has risen to new levels. With his success and versatility last year, he has done nothing to change their minds.
I don't know how much luck I will have going back and trying to find articles in the archives, but I'll take a look this evening, and if I find any of them, I'll post them or send them to you!
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I have not found the exact articles I am looking for. I believe they were published around the time of the Winter Meetings. I have been somewhat stymied by the $fees for archive searches, and the point isn't worth paying for that.. but I did find one article that expresses the sentiment if not the words I was looking for:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-12-rogers-winter-
meetingsdec12,0,586773.column
Herein, Hendry balks at including Marshall and Vitters in the Peavy deal, but goes into detail about Marshall's value to the Cubs.
If I find more, you can be sure I'll get them to you. I wouldn't want you to continue laboring under such a misconception!
But as I talk with the Cubs every day and had a chance to talk with Marshall just yesterday, it's not I who is laboring under any misconception. Marshall expressed confidence that he would remain a Cub but he admitted he had heard the talk and read the stories that he could be traded. If you'd like to believe there's no chance he'll be traded, be my guest. It may not happen, but his name has indeed been involved in trade talks, and the Cubs will deal him for the right player or players.
Now you're getting defensive. Nothing I wrote was intended to be offensive to you or anyone else. I just gave you what I thought was a good natured "elbow" because I like your work and know how much work it is. In fact I probably read more of your stuff than any other Chicago pundit, when I can find it; but that doesn't mean I don't know the Cubs, or Cubs personnel, or other people around the club, or lack baseball sense that is common or expert (or both), or that you don't make mistakes. In fact I'll match pedigree's in the game with you any day you want to take the private time to explore it!
I believe, as I have said, that it would be foolish for Jim, at this point in the off season, not to have some plan for acquiring a solid leadoff hitter for a team with it's eye on the NL pennant. Such a leadoff hitter is not going to be found in the "bargain bin". Good ones don't "grow on trees", and if Jim is going to try and get Peavy and a leadoff hitter, he will have to trade for the latter. And while it isn't the only scenario that could fill that need, the Harden for Roberts deal, that I mentioned above, would make perfect sense for all three teams. The only hangup in that scenario is having to tiptoe around what MacPhail did to Hendry last year, unintentional or not, whether Jim or Andy like it or not, and whether you and I agree or not. I do think that Andy will have to call Jim. I don't think it will be the other way around. Right now Jim is concentrating on the bit players for the Cubs and for the trades, and is looking for those other "leadoff" scenarios; but unless the new owner is thumbs down on it, before long he will try to do the Peavy deal while he is waiting to see if Roberts signs an extension or not, or if Roberts begins to pressure for that extension or a deal. And by the reports today, the latter may have already begun.
Getting back to the particular subject at hand, Of course Sean was upset about the trade rumors (talk) but it wasn't coming from Hendry. It was coming from Towers or some pundit or underling, but never from Hendry. I challenge you to find one published article that quotes Hendry as saying he has even thought about trading Marshall in the past 6 months.
As for the "right" deal, if that's your idea of a sound defense in this matter, then Ramirez & Zambrano will surely be traded if the "right" deal is offered! Preposterous!
The hard fact is that the Cubs have only ONE young LH starter on the near horizon, and that is Marshall, and it would be stupid to trade him...even if it brought Peavy in return. Jim is not stupid! That is exactly why Jim has taken the position of not trading Marshall.
I'm sorry if I offended you; but I know what I have read, heard, etc. and it is quite the contrary of Hendry OR Lou wanting, or even to be willing, to trade Marshall in the Peavy deal or any other deal that has been rumored, or even imagined!
No, Hendry doesn't want to trade Marshall. But like any other GM, if the right deal comes along, he'd do it.