Hawks knew of Hossa's injury
A Hawks spokesman said the club was aware of Marian Hossa's right shoulder injury on July 1 when they signed him to a 12-year, $62.8 million contract.
The Hawks will continue to monitor Hossa's shoulder/rotator cuff problem and are hoping surgery isn't necessary. That decision will be made by Hossa and doctors.
The severity of the injury still is not known. Surgery, if it's done soon, might only keep Hossa out of the Hawks' lineup until December.
The injury is believed to have occured during the playoffs, possibly in the Western Conference finals against the Hawks. Hossa had no goals in the Red Wings' seven-game Stanley Cup Finals loss to Pittsburgh.
The Hawks signed Hossa to a franchise-record 12-year, $62.8 million contract on July 1. They introduced him at a new conference last Thursday and Hossa was on hand at last weekend's fan convention, showing no signs of a problem.
Hossa was at his home in the Slovak Republic at the time he signed with the Hawks.
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"Asked by the Sun-Times about the league's approval of the contract, Daly said it ''was approved because there was no basis to reject it on the face of the contract. ... The decision to investigate was made simultaneously with the registration of the contract (and I so informed Dale Tallon personally), so it is not an after-the-fact decision.''
Ok so why did the league approve the contract when they should have investigated it when it was first presented? I think the Hawks are paying a price for being the media darlings of the NHL last year. The article goes on to say that many of the GMs around the league are behind this. Could this be a little payback from Tallon supporters? Some posters have mentioned that the Wings signed Zetterberg to a similar contract so why aren't they being investigated?
How can they screw up this bad in such a short time? It seems every move the Hawks make now is the wrong one. It feels like were back in the Pully era. What's next taking the games off T.v. to protect their season reservation holders?
All he has done has ruin a franchise despite seemingly the hawks brightest future in quite sometime and if you think this is the last screwup...your more naive than Rocky Wirtz.
To systematically take down an organization by undermining the great work of his subordinates and become the laughing stock of the league in just over a month will probably go down as the hawks ultimate shameful moment when considering the bob pulford era(`s) that ended with our "European Fixation" GM Mike Smith setting us back 10 years.
Maybe we can let Toews and kane walk reminiscent of the Bobby Hull/Phil Esposito/Doug Wilson/Ed Belfour/JR/Denis Savard/Max Bentley/Glen Hall and many other PR disasters that were allowed to happen because when the chips are down we have the wrong personnel types making the decisions...
ps Max Bentley was a favorite of my uncle of which i heard many stories.. a precursor for the infamous Phil Esposito trade..."get rid of them in their prime" should be our motto
it is McD`s responsibility... whether anything can be proven is irrelevant...Just what did Dale get fired for??
GET RID OF THIS IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the Hossa deal a great legit contract, that gets arguably a top 5 player in the playing at a cap hit of 5 million. If yuou don't see the value, JMD is NOT the problem here. Get a clue.
The following is from TSN.....ill say it now...FIRE MCDonough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edmonton, AL (Sports Network) - The National Hockey League is reportedly investigating Marian Hossa's new 12-year contract with the Chicago Blackhawks amid allegations that it circumvents the collective bargaining agreement.
According to the Edmonton Sun, if Chicago is found guilty, it could face a maximum fine of $5 million and the loss of draft picks. Hossa and the Blackhawks allegedly agreed that the star forward would retire before the end of the contract, which would lessen the cap hit on the team.
Hossa's deal is for a total of $62.8 million but is front-loaded, as he will make $7.9 million for each of the first seven years before dropping to $4 million in 2016-17. In the final four years of the contract, Hossa makes a total of $3.5 million.
If he were to retire following 2016-17, the cap hit on the team following that season would disappear.
A four-time All-Star, Hossa led the Red Wings with 40 goals in 2008-09 and was third on the team with 71 points. He added 15 points (6 goals, 9 assists) in 23 playoff games as Detroit lost to Pittsburgh in the Cup Finals.
The Slovakian native has recorded 339 goals and 719 points in 775 career games with Ottawa, Atlanta, Pittsburgh and the Red Wings. He recently underwent surgery to repair a small tear in his rotator cuff suffered during Detroit's playoff run this past season.
I'll be surprised if they can prove anything concrete. I would like to see them investigate some of the other NHL contracts that have been made in the last 2-3 seasons. Unfortunately we won't have any proof of who is really responsible for this if anything more than speculation is proven.
Can't wait for the P.R. maven to crank up the CYA machine on this one. Who's gonna take the whack for this blunder? (if it's true) You don't think McEgo's gonna take the blame?
I know Rocky needed someone to step up and bring the franchise into the 80's, but did he have to hire McEgo? From the fan standpoint, all he had to do was put the home games on TV, make nice with the lost heroes of the Hawks, bring back Pat Foley, and let Dale run the show. But nooooo, Johnny Red Carpet, Heritage Nights, Premium game prices, My way or the highway McEgo gets to run things................HIS WAY.
Can't wait for this tool to get back to the northside or somewhere other than the UC.
So Dale Tallon was the problem huh?????
Rocky Wirtz.....This is the reason why we are and will always be a laughing stock. This clown you hired (McDonogh) has done nothing but sweep the rug out from under the great team Dale Tallon put together.
I have said it wouldnt be the last thing you would here about this mess ....everyone knows he is ruining this team from the asinine firing of Dale (Who you should replace by promoting him to McDonogh position) to all the comments publicly stated (Havlat, Rick Dudley, Tom Laidlaw, Ron Greschner and other numerous agents and players that have stated Tallon got screwed)
We are screwed even if this is suppressed..we had the best situation going and now McDonogh has ensured we will be going forward with out any dignity.....
WINNING STARTS IN THE FRONT OFFICE first!
nice friggin job you Clown!!!!!
Sounds like they got too cute. Maybe they outsmarted themselves, but at least they were using their head. And if anyone admits to talking about Hossa retiring after 7 or 8 years, they should be thrown under a bus immediately.
I heard on a morning sports report that the NHL is investigating Hossa's contract to see if it circumvents the salary cap. Has anyone heard about this? I wonder what the ramifications would be if they find that it has.
Not sure about the integrity of the reporter but:
http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/07/30/10319706.html
Tim, I have to write this just to blow off alittle steam! Last year me and 6 friends bought a 9-game partial season ticket plan in the 200 level. I also bought a second 9-game plan in the 200 level, and still later I bought a pick 6 plan.
Which brings me the the crap the front office is pulling this year. Not only was the 200 level not offered to the 9-game partials, but now they are putting a pre-season game as one of the 9. What a bunch of S*it!!! I realize we only had partial season tickets, but they talk of Loyalty....HAHAHA ya Right!
Just when you let your guard down...WHAM! right back in your face
Big Price Jump!
I wish they told me Hossa would be out half the season.
No discount on premier games.
Yes, Hull plans are now only offered in the 300 level and Mikita plans in the 100 level. They now also include a glorious preseason game (thankfully only two of those on the schedule this year) and I believe a raise in ticket prices for certain prime games. People like you in the 200 level really get screwed.
The only good news is that since you have a couple of Hull plans you are pushed to the head of the line if you ever want to get the full season. Otherwise you become me and go on the waiting list behind all of the Hull and Mikita plan people and wait....and wait.....and wait....until your call for a full season plan comes. I called the first hour they took deposits last winter and my place in line assures me that I'll get a call around the time Patrick Kane turns 30.
Staring John McD as Sandy the clown!
Was calling McDonough a fake.
God bless the guy/woman who continues to leak all these stories to shove it, right down McDonough's throat. Sorry, John. You can't spin this one favorably, and if he does anything, it will mirror what he did with the Cubs when he locked down the media and only had stories go through cubs.com. Watch....it will happen. He can control that.
Anyone honestly think that it wasn't McDonough behind the Campbell and Huet signings? Especially Campbell? A guy who was the top free agent at the time, and was vastly overpaid? NO? Hmm...Pretty sure McDonough's first year as president for another team, he signed the top free agent to a ridiculous amount that was vastly overpaid. No, that's just a coincidence.......
This means you have to compare us against each team. You also have to say, is the rest of the league better or worse?"
Until all moves are made and opening rosters are noted in early Oct, we can't project fairly..although we may have a good idea so far about other teams.
Chicago has that confidance born largely from playoff success, but no Hossa to replace Havlat. No Khabby. But is Havlat healthy to start the season in Minny (Hossa isn't healthy). Is Khabby likely on and off the injury list, and another year older! We haven't replaced Walker; so what, he can fight but he wasn't too good. Eventually we'll have a new d-man who can fight, or a forward will come along who can do the honor of tossing haymakers.
Although we may not do as well as last year, it doesn't mean we aren't as good on paper.
Huet is an average talent, sometimes very good and maybe he'll reduce soft goals -- nah, he'll still surrender too many of those. Madden? An upgrade over a healthy Pahlsson. Maybe but not by a lot..although I suggest Madden may show more offensively (skill) and is a better skater.
We will be looking for Buf, Kane, Versteeg, Brouwer to produce. Will they? But don't say this team is worse off -- only if Hossa is out all year. It is a blessing in disguise sometimes when the roster changes, because you can't keep all the players and expect the same results. At some point in time Khabby had to move on. Hossa is an upgrade over Havlat. Kopecky is a great add. We leave it up to the Bowman's to take us back to the playoffs. Of course, playoff matchups is not always favorable. We could be a better team this year with or without more changes, yet bow out early. I just think it is really something that McDonaugh must have gave his blessing for Huet and Campbell, yet Huet may be the reason we don't go far -- not good enough in goal. Campbell has too much skill to be wasted/not more productive. He'll likely at least accumulate more points.
The Rocky Horror Picture Show? If John McDonough is the bs person as some posts and myself have said previously, we will have to tolerate him. But when he goes to White Palace Grill after rookies scrimmage next summer, maybe there will be a large contingent in his way and booing loudly. Not to mention Blackhawks convention? Any catcalls when he roams throughout the hockey building? Oh, I bet the athletes and McDonough just LOL over these comments.. . who said that, a writer...no, on a blog...well we know the truth, so they can laugh all they want/makes you wonder if they are somewhat secretly condensending toward fans? Like what else is new!
I'm sick of all of the hype. This is a great young core, but no way it is a better team than 2008-09. A Jack Skille type taking a regular shift instead of a Havlat/Hossa type player for 1/2 the season is going to going to cost you some games. No way a Huet/Crawford combo is better than a Bulin/Huet combo.
This team made the playoffs last year by only winning 6 more games than the #9 seed in the conference. I can easily see the Hossa injury and pending Huet fiasco costing them those 6 games. If they do manage to sneak into the #8 spot it will be a quick exit at the hands of the Wings.
It is questionable at this moment in time if the Hawks are better than last seasons team. With Havlat gone and Huet in net and no Hossa for awhile - that is not good. But the kids are a year older and have some playoff experience. Plus they did pick up Madden and Kman and Kane is healthy. The key is - who will score, how will the powerplay operate, and how will Buf and Versteeg react, and how will Bolland and Ladd play without Havlat.
I can't wait until the season starts.
I also think this year - the other teams in the division are also stronger and it will be a battle all year.
Tough to defend Havlat's body, but didn't Tallon want Havlat back? The new geniuses wanted Hossa. Hmmmm
alright but Just dont think you can ever change my mind cuz ill break out the letterman top ten lists next!!
ex Top ten excuses why "uncle John" has never won the World Series during his watch!
10. Who is lee Smith?
9. Greg Maddux Joe Girardi Bruce Sutter all losers
8. Tommy R(Ricketts) was "on" to me
7. Dallas Green smelled like a "goat"
6. If only we gave Kerry Wood another chance
5. "I still think i can win a world series"
4. two words Steve Bartman
3. Andy McPhail was the Dale Tallon of MLB
2. No Bowmans
1. The butchered goat was my idea!!!
not Earth shattering, although it might has impacted his dealing with other teams to the Hawk's advantage.
McDonough just looks worse in my eyes, after saying firing Tallon sometime after the convention would have made him look disingenuous IF HE FIRED TALLON LATER.
But not revealing this little tidbit to milk the most out of the Hossa signing without press questions gives Chicago a good look at the puppet master.
This even makes HOSSA look like a better signing because the letdown we witness in the play-off was not due to lack of effort, just real injury.
Warrior.
Your right on about Hossa Wiz.Get this shoulder fixed,we have a bona fide healthy honest to God super-star on this team!
go Hawks & Hossa!
This from Wings columnist Ansar Khan in Detroit today:
Marian Hossa's injury didn't occur during playoffs
Ansar Khan, MLive.com, July 22, 2009
Wings general manager Ken Holland said Marian Hossa did not injure his shoulder during the playoffs as indicated in a story in the Chicago Daily Herald. Holland said.
Hossa had a slightly torn rotator cuff when the Wings signed him on July 2, 2008, but it wasn't anything significant.
"He was hurt before he got to us,'' Holland said. "Our doctors looked at him and we had conversations about whether to have surgery. Our doctors recommended he should have something done at some point but it's something he can play with.''
That doesn't necessarily mean that the playoof contact made this a whoile lot bigger problem.
The question is how bad is Hossa's shoulder and will it heal or be rehabbed in order for Hossa to play to his full potential without the worry of hurting it more.. Will we make the same mistake as we did with Havlat? It does look like the shoulder is not healing fully.
I could be mistaken. Didn't Havlat hurt shoulder during his first season with the Hawks? Then during the second season, Havlat playing well in spurts but was bothered the entire season with his shoulder issue. He started playing well, but then couldn't handle the pain late in the season and finally succombed to the surgery which put the kibosh on the playoff hopes. Plus of course, he didn't play his full potential and tentatively during stretches.
Will this be the fate of the Hawks and Hossa - I hope not. I say do the surgery if necessary. Because it was fun watching Havlat play when he is 100% healthy and playing confidently.
I agree, if the surgery is needed have him do the surgery this minute! Let's not see Hossa play 80%, I'd rather have him back 100% by mid-season.
The cognitive dissonance is in full swing...
The justification for dissing Havlat, our best player who was also integral to the chemistry of our best line last year, in favor of Hossa is and always has been the question of durability.
Now this.
As entertaining as I find the damage control, no amount of homer rhetoric or "I'm not a doctor but I play one online" babble will keep me from appreciating the irony--a shoulder injury no less.
Delicious.
We don't really know the nature and full extent of the injury, do we? No, we don't, but I have a hard time believing that this story gets released if the injury were a quick fix.
Either way, I agree that it's not the end of the world. The Hawks are probably still a year away, anyway, and whether Hossa is out four weeks or four months--what's the rush? I mean, we've got the guy for 12 years...
"is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously"...I get the meaning just trying to see how it applies here....how this for an example?
McDonough fires Dale Tallon after the RFA contract debacle that was BowJU`s primary area and than later admits it is ultimately his responsibility!!! and:
"The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors, or by justifying or rationalizing their attitudes,"
and Dwebert has his own version which i refuse to "buy into" and there you have it....
cognitive dissonance!!!! (i need a nap)
Hilarious!
What's worse is that "hockeytown" will now justify their c.g. regarding Hossa, but a glass-half-full type of fella (and a world-class wiseacre) might still delight in the fact that signing away Hossa, healthy or injured, took 40 of the Wings' goals off the board; however, a glass-half-empty fella, wishing to become a target for plenty of completely empty glasses, might point out that the loss of Havlat...nevermind--suffice to say the game isn't quite zero-sum, at least at the moment.
If surgery is the verdict, I guess we have an early idea what to ask Santa for this holiday season.
...that Oswald acted alone, then you probably DO believe that Obama was born in the U.S.
Signing a player known to be injured to a contract like that hardly constitutes prudence. But Dale will be blamed for this as well....as if he did it with total autonomy. Sheesh.
1) A rotator cuff tear (which we don't know Hossa actually has) is not as bad as Havlat's injury was (more on that in a second).
2) There are 2-3 SIMPLE 30 second tests a doctor can do to determine (roughly) whether it is a rotator cuff injury and how severe it is. I am certain someone did these tests between when the injury occured and July 1 and the hawks got a doctor's opinion on the results, most likely THE doctor who performed the tests.
3) They probably think it is a rotator cuff injury, and they were not sure if it was torn. Meaning, even if it is, it's not so bad that he has serious impingement— or couldn't play hockey.
4) In 99% of cases like these (not an obvious tear), rehab is the first course of treatment. That's where we are now.
5) if that doesn't work, before they will do an invasive surgery to repair a tear, they will ALWAYS do an arthroscopic procedure first to really assess the damage, and more and more all the time, they can fix even moderate to severe tears with the scope. Hockey players play long careers after even invasive rotator cuff surgery. Probert was one.
6) Oswald most likely acted alone. Obama was born in the United States. The Earth is not Flat.
7) Khabi39 (and some o' y'all), relax.
If Hossa was a baseball player, a rotator cuff issue would be much more significant, but a hockey player doesn't put the shoulder in the same positions (throwing motion) to really stress the cuff.
If it is completely torn, surgery would be required and then you are talking about 12 weeks. All in all, I understand people being a little miffed this comes out now, but I would still take him over Havlet (and his injury history) every single time. Havlet's problem is with dislocations, and those have a history of reacurring quite often.
I am sure all the due diligence was performed and the extent of the injury was reasonably assessed.
What I have an issue with is they chose not disclose it until now, when Hossa is out of the country, the convention is over and hockey reporters are shopping for pencils.
The bottom line is that McDonough has no credibility.
Stan Bowman: The Hawks say they want experienced and proven people in key positions and they hire an inexperienced GM. Doesn't wash.
The QO Debacle: Stan Bowman is Mr. Cap and paperwork maven. Yet the debacle is blamed on Tallon.
The QO Debacle: #2, They claim to didn't over pay. Maybe so, but they paid a lot more than if they did the paper work properly.
McDonough is a professional BS-er. Let's not forget it.
...is inexperienced as a GM, but he has the skills you need in a GM in the cap era. Bowman is much more analytical than Tallon and he is detailed oriented, and that is key in today's game.
Don't be fooled that Stan will be making all the decisions on player selections because he won't. The brought Scotty in for a reason and one of the main reasons was to be a key voice in talent selection.
Tallon has value, and I think they put him in a spot where they can utilize his talents, but not have his weak areas exposed as the GM.
there is much more but that works..
as a wing fan i wanted hossa to stay in det. i feel bad for hoss. i thought it was the cap that lost us hossa. now i'm mad at holland for not sticking with him. talk about bad luck. well good luck hossa & hang in there chicago, you'll still end up with a good player.
The facts speak for themselves.
1. The Hawks knew of the injury and chose not tell the press about it
2. McDoYa sells us on the acquisition and the dumping of Havlat based in part on durability
3. The disclosure comes out in the dogs days of hockey reporting - mid summer, after the convention.
It's pretty obvious that McDoYa has played everyone for a chump including the venerable Mr Sassone and Mr Rozner.
Mistake #1. Sassone and Rozner have good memories and suspicious minds (I hope).
Mistake #2. Blackhawks fans are NOT like Cubs fans who want to be lied to. Paybacks are a Bear My Friend.
Here Here!
I think it was game 2 or game 5 when Hossa was gliding across the middle of the Hawks' zone and Ladd gave him a solid shoulder to the upper body. Hossa went off the ice for a few shifts and came back. Do any of you guys know Hossa's point totals before and after that hit?
Can't give you the stats but isn't it ironic that the Hawks may have been the team that injured him?
I would find it very unlikely that Hossa would have a shoulder injury that would be as bad as Havlat's shoulder. I seem to recall that Havlat's shoulder reconstruction was pretty much the most extensive procedure in the NHL.
I think Madden more than makes up for the loss of Phalsson and Kopecky brings more than people realize. He did lead the Wing's forwards in hits and has good size. I won't claim to be a Kopecky expert, but what I've heard is that he is pegged as a late bloomer and still getting a handle on his talent. He might show some improvement in his game.
Hawks will get average goaltending overall. The D still looks to be one of the best in the league. (most of the guys on the blue line haven't peaked yet) Remeber the Hawks had 5th best GAA last season with time split almost evenly between Khabby and Huet. Even if Hossa doesn't play the first half of the year, the depth up front is enough to have above average production. Going into the start of the season, that Hawks are still in a great position and are definitly more confident than last season. Go Hawks!
is the lack of vision and due diligence that started when he was hired....Just what has he done exactly to improve us????
dont say scotty
...we should have a pretty good idea.
Wow, we go from complete and total euphoria advancing to the WC Finals, get depressed as we lose in 5, back up huge for signing Hossa, Madden, Kopecky, etc., sad again as Dale gets whacked, get through that and start feeling the love because of the McVention, now we hear our #1 UFA is damaged goods and we're all ready to concede the playoffs. Come on now, this is not something that we can't battle through. The Hawks will survive, have a great season, and challenge for the Cup. That's the only way you can look at it because you never know what's going to happen in a season. We could lose one or more of the core to injuries. Ya never know. Hossa didn't die, lose an appendage, and his career isn't over. He will be a huge factor and contribute to the team.
All I'm saying is, can we wait until the potential surgery/rehab time frame is known before we start panicking? Jeez people, we haven't even started training camp yet.