Kane case might end in plea deal
This from Tuesday's Buffalo News....
Patrick Kane and his cousin are expected to avoid criminal charges in a plea deal being hammered out, after both men are expected to be indicted this week on misdemeanor criminal charges, law enforcement sources said Monday.
Those sources also said the most likely plea deal would involve the Kanes either pleading guilty to a violation - maybe harassment or disorderly conduct - or being granted an adjournment that could have the charges later dropped.
Neither of those scenarios likely would involve any jail time for the two cousins.
Patrick Kane, 20, the Chicago Blackhawks star and South Buffalo native, and his cousin, James M. Kane, 21, were arrested on felony charges early on the morning of Aug. 9. They were accused of attacking taxi driver Jan Radecki, 62, in his cab near Canisius College during a dispute over their cab fare.
In a day filled with developments in the case, the taxi driver's attorney said his client wants a public apology, not a criminal record for the Kanes. Those comments came just hours after Kane issued a short apology about the incident.
"My client is looking for a direct public apology to him, not much more," said Andrew C. LoTempio, Radecki's attorney. "He does not want [the Kanes] to have a criminal record. He does not want them to have any jail time. And he does not want to ruin Patrick Kane's career."
Jacukel
I don't belong to the HB site so I have to respond here. As far as your next year predictions, I don't agree. I have said from day one when Huet was signed that if they play with him the full year, they are fighting with Nashville to stay out of last place. But Detroit plays with Osgood and still wins. The difference is the defense, or more exactly, the mobility of the defense. If the D hurry's the shooters all the time, then Huet might be ok, just like Osgood. But the D men have to be able to "get there". Only Keith & Campbell have the speed to do that, and Campbell's focus is not defense. As I see it St Louis & Columbus are on the way up, and the hawks are not going to take anyone by surprise this year. And even a little weakened, Detroit is still Detroit. So I say the Hawks could fall behind. Depends on Huet or the defense. Take your pick, you're still in the same boat. Hawks might take a step back this year.
I think it's a bit much to assume the Hawks will fall that far simply because of Huet playing more games. I mean, Khabby didn't really bring that much more to the ice overall.
Let's look at the career numbers.
Khabby - GP:678 W:299 L:267 T:58 OT:24 SO:41 GAA:2.67 SA:0.908
Huet - GP:224 W:103 L:76 T11 OT:17 SO:20 GAA:2.45 SA:0.917
Win% Career
Khabby - 44.1%
Huet - 46%
Last year
Khabby - GP:42 W:25 L:8 T:-- OT:7 SO:3 GAA:2.33 SA:0.919
Huet - GP:41 W:20 L:15 T-- OT:4 SO:3 GAA:2.53 SA:0.909
Khabby had a better season (above average for his career) while Huet had a below average year compared to his career. I think a lot of this goes back to goal support.
Khabby 25+8+7 = 40 decisions - Hawks scored 135 goals in those games 3.38 goals per game
Huet 20+15+4 = 39 decisions - Hawks scored 120 goals in those games. 3.08 goals per game.
Huet got the short end of the stick by about 15 goals(roughly)
The point I'm trying to make... Huet in net, Khabby in net.... in the long run, not much difference. If the Hawks drop in the standings, I doubt it will realy be a goaltending issue.
Hi Can hawks fan,
I don't put that much stock in numbers or stats when judging the talent I see. I look more at fundamentals, balance, style, speed... And guys here are sick of me explaining why Huet does not have game. In a nutshell, he has poor balance, vision, anticipation , hockey sense... He is useless at making it easier for his defense thereby making it tougher on them. If the defense could predict where he might direct a rebound, they might be able to get a half step head start. But with Huet, a rebound winds up on an opponents stick way more times than not. If you compare Huet's stats with Grant Fuhr's, Huet would look like a hall of famer. But everybody knows better than that.
I hope the goalie and the defense can get on the same page and you prove to be right. Gladly eat a yard of crow if that is the case.
I know you can't see everything from the numbers, but numbers also don't lie in the long run. I mean, if Huet was as terrible as your describe (he has poor balance, vision, anticipation , hockey sense), he would have much worse career and season stats. The bottom line comes down to how many goals he prevents and it doesn't matter if you judge his fundamentals to be proper. Sure, I'll admit he could be better and rebounds can be a problem, but if it was as bad as you describe he would have a GAA of 3.50 or more.
Khabby out played him a bit in the regular season which got him the starts in the playoffs, but Khabby certainly didn't get it done in the post season.
Anyway, my point is that the real importance is the end results. Saves and wins and not how you do it. I don't care if Huet appears to have poor balance or hockey sense as much as I care about him making saves and keeping the team in the game. You can deny the meaning of the stats over the course of a few games, but over the course of a season or a career it starts to paint a picture. The Hawks goaltending quality shouldn't change all that much going into the season. If the team falls off, it will likely be from other causes.
CanadianHawkFan sorry to have to disagree with you as well. To say Khabby outplayed him a bit in the regular season is a huge understatement. Only 7 or 8 losses in 40 games for the Bulin Wall. 25 wins I believe and he stole the series against the Flames in the playoffs. The Hawks defence is not great and that reflects on a goalies stats which makes Khabby's record that much more special. I hope Huet can get it done but I am not sure he is a number one goalie. Quite likely Niemi or Crawford will get a chance to shine or else will have to trade for Roloson or Biron.
Canadian Hawks Fan-- Like I said, hope you are right. Providing Huet stays healthy, we should know something about how functional he is by thanksgiving. Until then, have a nice rest of the summer & take care.
Huet had a chance, a big chance......to step up when his team needed him in game 4 of the conference finals.
A strong net presence, a big save early, and the series goes back to Detroit tied at 2 games each, with a very young team chomping at the bit in front of a solid goalie..
Huet failed and failed miserably. So miserably that the back up rookie was called in after it got to be 4-1 Wings and the young Hawks lost all composure.
This 5 million dollar veteran piece of swiss cheese goalie let his young team down when it mattered most.
Numbers schumbers. Huet is a proven liability.
We all know it. So do all the analysts on the NHL network. So do all the NHL GM's. (Except Tallon. And look where that got him.)
Chris Osgood is a 3 time Cup winner. (Twice as a starter.)
He was one save away from winning the Conn Smythe Trophy last year.
Huet was one save away from the next plate of brie.
No comparison between Huet and Osgood. None whatsoever.
Huet will get until Thanksgiving to put up or be shipped out. Plain and simple.
Khabby rocked last year and gave the Hawks a better chance to score more goals as he was keeping the puck out of his own net, something Huet did not do. When you get behind it is tougher to comeback and that is why the Hawks scored fewer goals for Crystal Hughet.
Holy Cheese,
In Game 4 of the conference finals, Huet played after having played a total of one period and some over time (in Game 3, a game the Hawks won, btw). He had a rough game 4, after basically not playing for six weeks.
He then stands up— LIKE A MAN— in the media and takes full responsibility. Doesn't point fingers at his teammates (as a certain beatified Russian goaltender is rumored to have done during the second intermission of Game 3), doesn't blame the six week layoff, doesn't blame the fact that he was facing maybe the best offense in hockey.
Then he goes out in game 5 and plays arguably the best game any goalie played in the playoffs. A game HE put into OT and THE DEFENSE lost because Walker and Barker turned the puck over and left Franzen wide open. Did he blame them? No way.
Who was in net during the longest winning streak in recent team history last season?
Who was 11-2 down the stretch with Washington in 07-08, with a 1.36 GAA— games that mattered? And no, he did not suck during a 7-game first round loss to the Flyers either.
I saw him play (in person) a fair amount in Montreal, when he was absolutely outstanding. How many of you who say "he sucks" did?
Tell ya what 6628. Nothing personal, but joining HB is easy.
Hi Jacukel,
I am in the middle of a huge project and don't have the time to join anything new. And as you posted wonderfully a week or so ago, the dawn of a new season is just about upon us. And an olympic compressed schedule is going to be a nightmare for me.
My perspective is a little more than just that of a fan. Now I hope you are right about Huet, but I can tell you that there is more to playing goalie than just throwing your body at the puck. He tends to lunge at the shooter, putting his weight too far forward to control his body on skates. Anyone on skates needs to keep their weight back on the heels to be effective on ice. That might be the reason he has absolutely no control of a rebound, or is in the ready position to make a save on the rebound. If he could just read the play coming at him and direct the rebound to where his team has a better chance to retrieve it, I would get off his back. But to this point, I see a brutal fundamental goaltender that makes his defensemen's job a lot tougher than it needs to be. I have also been critical of Seabrook's skating, as he also has a habit of getting his weight too far forward and then stumbles or falls without being touched.
But what the heck, a couple of weeks and game on.
Forget what Kane did as we know he had a role but he is young and that stuff happens to most young people in one form or another. The Cabbie who is 62 was driving around without a license for gods sake and apparently has a real anger problem in his dealings with young people...you can just imagine the type of jerk we are talking about here. The lawyer stated he has had him as a client since 99 (i think)
Yes and 2 DUI`s....it takes 2 (or three) to tango and most people who have been around the block know this could have been avoided easily with tact and years of experience (62) that life is suppose to teach you....the cabbie is a jerk and that is the only sure thing i know in this whole mess (and also all 3 of them having a hand in the events)
You cannot justify Kane's bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior (The cabbie.)
That is a tactic saved for MSNBC commentators.
As a young man, did you ever try to fight a 62 year old man, Boldirev?
I am guessing the answer is no, from the way you write.
The cabbie did not get arrested by the authority in this issue. Kane did.
Pulling up the cabbie's past is a Johnnie Cochrane move, sir.
That tactic is saved for the best (or worst, pending your viewpoint) of defense lawyers.
We, as a society, are losing our respect for one another while we all kick and scratch our 'piece of the pie.'
The future of our society and our respect starts with youth; of which Kane is a member.
The future of our society and our respect no longer lies in the hands of a 62 year old man.
Whether he furthered respect or not in his day appears obvious in his history. (DUI's and no license.)
However it is notwithstanding, repeat, notwithstanding to this matter involving Patrick Kane.
That, I believe, is fair.
But I could be wrong.
Nice post! Agree with you all the way. You and I seem to have been brought up the same way and share similar views on the rights and wrongs of today's society.
From Law & Order in the early 90s....When it is your word against the complainant and he is 62 and your 20 ...well you dont have to be a McDonough to understand what was gonna happen.
BTW his worship`s over flowering support for his "player" has brought tears to my eyes!!! (Sarcasm??? yes)
my top 5 for the next incident involving the hawks
1. Rocky Wirtz In a tribute to his dad, revoke TV privileges..stating he wants to protect "season reservation holders"
2. Tim Sassone (believe or not tim..you are a Hawks treasure) or Bob Verdi cant think of a reason other than it has to be someone..why not Tim?
3. Bobby Hull leaves chicago again to retire from his incredible 1 year run as an ambassador much to the chagrin of mcDonough who never saw it coming
4. Wayne Messmer in a drunkin rage at a hawks preseason game attacks current anthem singer Jim Cornielisn ..calls him a no talent hack
5. John McDonough Is fired after yet another drunken rage at a hawks function where he threatens to end steve larmers "1993 iron man streak" and is replaced by Bob Pulford and his assistant Mike Smith !!
No word yet if any Hawks were with him..he did have 2 accomplices. Cross your fingers
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12091794
If Kane feels the verdict is unfair, not much he can do -- maybe appeal if his lawyer feels another court will be more lenient. Can he appeal? It doesn't make sense to take justice into your own hands... so even if the cabbie is at some fault, it may turn out to be the person at greater fault takes the bigger blow. Kind of like if you go through an intersection without yielding the right of way -- even if the other person is speeding like a maniac. You are at fault; you have to be smart enough to handle situations that come up lie these.
Of greater concern is if Kane is going to be smart enough to toughen up his on ice act. Did he hear or learn anything from this cabbie incident OR the Olympic invite atmosphere etc al? I mean, Kane will have a horsecrap year if he can be intimidated and plays the same way defensively. Kane needs a better effort defensively and competing for the puck control along the boards. Look, he isn't ever a defensive forward or a banger, but he can't be invisible in these areas. Just wondering if it will take some tough love from Quenneville or whatever to shake some sense into the head of a young and probably still immature spoiled kid.
Season can't get here soon enough with the way the Cubs are playing.
more to lose than some loser on the streets. This had settlement written all over it from day one. Why? Because the 'plantiffs' atty knows full and well he doesn't have much a chance in court.
The problem is Kane needs to get on with things. The timing is bad and he has a lot to lose. This guy can go back to getting his DUI's and driving w/o a valid license. A little more probing, who knows we'd even find out this guy is up to his eyeballs in credit card debt or has an underwater mortgage.
I love how some people are saying, "give him his settlement". As long as this is allowed (frivolous cases), it will continue.
Wanna know how sue-happy this country has become? A woman sued (then settled out of court...common theme nowadays) little league baseball because her kid got hurt sliding into 2nd base. She SETTLED for $125k. Her reasoning was the league, sponsors, coaches etc didn't teach the kid how to slide correctly. Forget about it being a sport where YOU CAN GET HURT. Sure, blame everyone else. Point your slimy fingers at everyone because you are an idiot. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
I heard that Little league story too.
Sounds like the cabbie is not looking for any dollars after all. How about that? A 'loser' as you say; with what appears to be decency in him.
If this cabbie was as big a loser as you paint him to be, he would be trying to do the 'Little League Lawsuit' dance, and extract money to pay for his past bad behavior, which could have ruined him financially.
But if all the cabbie wants is an apology.....well that shoots the whole 'cabbie is a problematic loser' argument out the window.
I have no horse in this race.
I am simply a Blackhawk fan who does not justify bad behavior (The Kanes) by pointing to other bad behavior (The cabbie).
Each side screwed up and needs to man up. (or in Kane's case, boy-up.)
The apology is the "sympathy" route for the poor, 'ol, innocent cabbie that could never, ever have possibly done anything wrong. And he is looking for money. He'll get some money. That's what dirtbags like that do.
And if his atty thought it would be a slam dunk to extract some serious cash out of Kaner in a trial, he'd push for it. His atty knows there isn't much of a chance and right-then-and-there it's "settlement" time. In fact, the cabbies' case is so weak, his atty was talking settlement less than 48hrs after the story broke.
BTW, the little league was a "settlement". Just an example of a effed-up society.
As for O'Reilly, no I didn't hear it there. I coach my daughters' fast pitch softball team. Part of our yearly training and review sessions we go over legal stuff. This was one topic.
The problem I have with some of the tone on this site was once the story broke and for at least a few days, it was decidedly in favor of the cabbie; without so much as a shread of evidence.
I actually do have a horse in this race, it's Kane. The 'Hawks don't need this. As much as many of us - myself included - like to rant on his lack of defencive skills, we as 'Hawks fans need him to step it up defencively and continue to contribute offencively. We all want to see the 'Hawks playing in mid-June, 2010.
How are you so sure the cabbie is out to sue or extort a buck?
How do you know he is not just going to ask for his medical bill paid and his glasses repaired?
If all this stems from a cabdriver wanting to gouge a wealthy kid for 5-10 bucks (or not having 20 cents change, if you believe the papers), then who is the idiot?
The cabdriver with a problem filled past and nothing to lose?
Or the wealthy kid with everything to lose?
Street Smarts 101: Never fight an ugly guy. He has nothing to lose.
Yeah the cabdriver is probably a schmoe. So what?
Kane is no flower in this. He is selfish. You know it cuz you see it on the ice, Daddio.
What makes you think his behavior on the ice will not translate to his everyday life experiences off the ice?
A kid with smarts and respect knows not to engage an older schmoe. (Hell, my nephews know this, and they are 11.)
I guess I am perplexed by youth today. They all want something first before giving anything.
Martial Arts 101: First line of self defense is respect.
You have made points on the crux of the incident.
Mostly pro comments towards Kane, totally con towards the cabbie.
I have points on the crux of the incident. Mostly con towards the Kane, somwehat pro and con towards the cabbie.
This whole thing never should have happened.
Again, Street Smarts 101: All rules of decorum are not applicable at 5 AM, after a night out.
Any kid brought up in a urban environment knows this.
Maybe that is the genesis of this incident.
Kane could be a bumpkin from the Sticks. Hence, no street smarts.
I do not know, just like you do not know Kane is guilty. There's so many people out there just waiting to sue for something. Just like there's so many people out there just waiting to get "offended" by something someone else does so they can act all righteous and point their fingers.
And you can't just write-off the cabbie being a schmoe. That is what's wrong with today's society. Always sympathy for the "unfortunate one" and "screw wealthy one". It doesn't always happen that way. He's a victim of society. Sounds like an ACLU rant.
So you equate Kane's lack of defencive play to his selfishness in this situation, but refuse to acknowledge the cabbie prior's (as in DUI) and driving with a SUSPENDED license as part of his character. Nice.
And you talk about a kid with smarts. OK, Kane could have turned the other way. Now how about a guy - who's nearly a senior citizen - being a little, just a little wiser. Sorry buddy, doesn't equate.
I would love to find out this guys finances. I'm willing to place an even-money bet he's on the take; huge credit card bills, mortgage under water, alimony...whatever.
So you talk about all this lack of personal responsibility for a 20-year old but conveniently write it off for a 62-year old. I simply do not want people to automatically believe Kane HAD TO BE WRONG and the cabbie just HAD TO BE RIGHT.
In one of Tim's articles Kane is quoted as saying:
"Kane said he has heard from most of his Hawks teammates, offering support, along with former general manager Dale Tallon and Denis Savard."
Anyone find it strange that he doesn't mention McDonough,Bowman or Wirtz?
I posted the same thing under the story..also Q not mentioned either.
Give the guy his little settlement. And apologize. If there's a plea deal involved here, you did something wrong, and you know it.
If Kane doesn't apologize to the guy, I lose what little respect I have left for him after he gets into something over a $15 cab fare (for which there is NO excuse).
So does Kane get an apology for being treated like a deadbeat college kid? Google the distance from Chippewa street to the address in the police report. No way it's a 13.80 cab ride. Not even in Chicago or New York City. Cab dummy was probably padding the bill. That's probably how this whole thing started. And I'm sure that the money was more important to a 21 year old who is not making seven figures, so my guess is that it was the cousin who got out of line and smokes the driver. Maybe the driver goes for his little insurance policy under the seat, and at that point Kane is not just along for the ride anymore. No excuse for being at the wrong place at the wrong time (which is what he apologized for), but I think it's very possible that Patrick Kane is more of a victim of an attitude than the driver.
How does this thing even get this far? I mean this blog is burning down on the morals of society all of a sudden? Come on....I thought we were here for hockey talk, and not going back in our time machines and comparing how we grew up vs somebody else. Please. Everyone walked to school 15 miles in snow drfits, and wearing no shoes....
Honestly, I really dont' care anymore about this. I think both are to blame. The Cabbie for obviously over charging Kane, locking him in the car, and then trying to be a dead beat and sue him to get money to pay off what I assume are a TON of legal costs stemming from his previous issues. He's obviously after money, as his own lawyer stated how this wasn't a big deal and could be settled out of court. Please. It's a prime example of a shake down.
The Buffalo Pd for not arresting the cabbie for being out driving with no valid license and multiple DWIs. How does that go unnoticed? Every cop runs plates, or licenses when filling out reports. How does this guy get away it? What would have happened if he would crashed his cab with Kane in it? Kane should sue him and the cab company for putting his life in danger.
Kane, for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He should have been smarter and walked away when his meathead cousin went ballastic. Why put yourself in that position? Especially being a star athlete.
He's young, he's immature. He'll learn. Lets not throw out jabs like he's trolling for hookers, or whatever else. Just stay with the facts, and pray it's over with by the start of training camp.
For the record, I agree with 6628. This season will live and die with Mr. Huet. He needs to justify that contract, and make believers out of everyone or else the Hawks could be shopping for a veteran goalie for the playoff run in the spring.
Just maybe they cruised around looking for hookers or something before going from point a to point b, try googling that 6628! How do we know?????
Knew it the moment the lawyer for the cabbie said this has been blown out of proportion.
What is the story with the Hossa contract??????
Manson..you got that right. The cabbie has his own attorney to pay, plus whatever fee's, fines or legal bills from the fact he was driving without a valid license. In fact now that everyone knows he doesn't have a license, he won't be driving that cab for a while. So he needs a source of income. 50-75K from Kaner should hold him over until the SOS of NY lets him have his drivers license back. It will probably cost kaner some good tickets to the Hawks-Sabres game in Buffalo this season, which should be a hot ticket. For the Lawyers, the DA, and the cabbie who might go or might just scalp them for a few more bucks.
I could be mistaken and I'm sure someone will have a link to it, but I'm pretty certain I saw another news post or quote from the case which ended the rumor that he didn't have a valid license. I can't remember if it was his lawyer making the statement or what, but they basically put that one to rest as being untrue.
The judge, Denis Lemieux, has indicated there may be some jail time. Here is the exact quote:
What the Kanes did is "against the rules. You know,you're stupid when you do that. Just some English pig with no brains, you know.
"You do that, you go to the box. Two Minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you go free.
I fully expected Reg to come up with this one... Very nice. You know it's getting close to hockey season when the Slapshot references come out.
How long is it going to be before the Hawks finally get someone who can "put on the foil"?
I would have commented a lot more and added some more 12 year old humor to the issue at hand except some of the posts have me disgusted. There's been so many polar opposites bantering back and forth, it's been comedy enough without me adding my 2 cents. The kid F'd up and he knows it. NOBODY knows all the details except those involved yet some have him convicted, some acquitted. I can't wait for the season to begin and have the regulars back on the blog, etc. posting away about the team, the games, the ups and downs. I even miss Scards and HIS blather! Speaking of, where's he been through all this? Can't believe an indiscretion like this went unnoticed by HIS EMINENCE
Speaking of Scards he posted on the Inside Pitch blog about Milton Bradley and he actually referenced a play in a game and made a good observation. Could hell be freezing over?
It's an absurd situation so why not be absurd?
Nobody calls me Francis. My mother called me Francis....................once
"My client is looking for a direct public apology to him, not much more," said Andrew C. LoTempio, Radecki's attorney. "He does not want [the Kanes] to have a criminal record. He does not want them to have any jail time. And he does not want to ruin Patrick Kane's career. And he could really use fifty thousand dollars....or at least two-thirds of fifty thousand dollars."
have already been delivered to the lawyer and his client.
I thought that was an interesting take the one poster put up in the article the other day about Kane actually only having a 100 dollar bill and that the cabbie actually did lock them in after he couldn't supply change.
Maybe we never know what happened exactly but there is no chance this si anything but swept under the carpet now. Both parties were to dumb for their roles period!