Theriot-Castro watch begins in earnest
As the folks in Mesa have been reporting most of the week, Ryan Theriot, not Starlin Castro, gets the start in today's Cactus League opener against the A's at HoHoKam. Maybe Lou felt he had jumped the gun a little bit when he talked of leading off phenom Castro to start the exhibition season. So maybe as a show of respect to Theriot, he put the incumbent in the starting lineup.
Anyway, the Theriot-Castro situation is going to be a fun one to watch.
Theriot seems to elicit a range of emotion in Cubdom. His OBP dropped from .387 in 2008 to .343 in 2009. His ISO, after being well into the .100s during his little "power surge," early last year, settled at .085, a slight improvement over his ISO of .052 of '08.
I get a kick out of some of the Theriot talk. If you talk of him being "gritty" and a "gamer," you get laughed at. However, some of the stats-oriented people like to ignore the numbers when it comes to Theriot's defense, which grades out in several measures better than what the eye might lead some people to believe. His UZR (ultimate zone rating) of 7.7 last year was seventh among shortstops behind leader Jack Wilson (14) and such notables as Cesar Izturis (10.8) and Rafael Furcal (8). Other sites and publications also give Theriot positive grades as a fielder.
In one of my final days in Mesa this spring, I tried to get Theriot to talk about being "sold short." I'm not sure he got the question, so I rephrased it in terms of being told he "couldn't do this and couldn't do that," as opposed to what he could do. He went back and forth on his answer.
"I've been hearing that my whole life," he said. "Really, honestly, I'm sure I'm not the only one who could tell you that. Probably, every one of you guys have heard that at one point, where somebody says, 'You can't, you can't, you can't.' The question is, 'How do you respond to that?' I haven't heard that. Nobody's every come up to me and said, 'You can't' since I've been up here, and there's a reason for that, and that's because I have."
That was in line with his comments of the previous week, when he said that Castro was "going to have to come and get it."
"It's always going to be that way," he said last week of feeling pressure from Castro. "There's always going to be somebody that's on your heels. I think that's good. That's good for competition and keeps everybody working hard. You can't get complacent and relaxed and sit back. I think it's good for everybody."
Lou was on the Waddle and Silvy show today on WMVP 1000-AM in Chicago today. He told the hosts about Castro:
"Well, you know, spring training, these games will tell a lot. Drills that he's done, if you were to look at him and evaluate him closely on that, you wouldn't be able to tell he's 19 years old. He's confident, he enjoys playing. The question is spring training games will give us a clue on that, and I think this man in a year or so will really be able to challenge the shortstop position. I tell you, the good ones come early _ age is not a factor. I don't buy the theory if you bring a kid up too early, you set him back. Sometimes, the good ones need to be sent back. Then when they work on the things they need to work on, they come back a better player and are here to stay.
"I had a similar type player, Alex Rodriguez, we sent him back a couple times and he came back and is the superstar that he is today. Now I'm not comparing Castro to A-Rod, but it's jus an example."
Tom Waddle asked Lou if the shortstop job is Theriot's to lose if Castro isn't ready.
"No question, no question," Lou said. "Ryan's an excellent ballplayer and I mean, look, he plays with a lot of enthusiasm and gets on base and he's really improved at the shortstop position. He's going to be our leadoff hitter, and I really like Ryan a lot."
Here are some other offensive comparisons with Theriot from 2008 to 2009:
2008
Line-drive percentage: 23.2
Groundball percentage: 56.6
Flyball percentage: 20.2
BB/K ratio: 1.26
2009
Line-drive percentage: 19.5
Groundball percentage: 50.5
Flyball percentage: 30
BB/K ratio: 0.55
Those numbers are from fangraphs.com. If you’re not visiting that site, you should be.
We'll see what we get this year from the scrappy one. Theriot's eager to see, too. He looked a bit stronger to me when I saw him in Mesa.
"Yeah, I changed some things up in my training this off-season," he said. "This is probably the first time in eight or nine years that I've really focused on the lower half of my legs. So we'll see."
We shall indeed.
In other news, got this “care package” from my colleague Carrie Muskat of cubs.com. Carrie is in Mesa. The upcoming Cubs pitchers, courtesy of Carrie:
Friday: Zambrano, Coleman, Stevens, Gaub, Mateo, Berg
Saturday: Silva, Marmol, Russell, Cashner, Kennard, Grabow
Sunday vs. LA: Gorzelanny, Diamond, J. Jackson, Schlitter, Parisi, Caridad
Sunday vs White Sox: Samardzija, Atkins, Mathes, Gaub, Stevens, Parker
Also saw on a New York Times blog that Milton Bradley blamed things on Chicago last year and not on himself:
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/03/mariners-counting-on-milton-bra...
Like the Supreme Court does on occasion, we’ll dismiss the claim without comment.


Why is it whenever people talk about Theriot they only refer to his 2008 (career year) and 2009 seasons? They ignore his absolutely terrible 2007 season in which he was a major reason for the horrible offense they had that year. He was no kid either, he was 27, and now he's 30, when little middle infielders with no offensive abilities and already limited range start to decline rapidly. The defensive numbers are also not particularly reliable, but even if they are meaningful, they point to him being average. How is that a good thing? The Cubs are trying to be the best team in the national league, and that's tough to do with a shortstop who provides just average defense and pitiful offense, especially when he can't run the bases either. And it doesn't help that he tries to blame things like chemistry for the team coming up short, when in fact it had more to do with players like him being bad at their job.
With regard to Theriot's defense (from Bruce's post on this blog): "However, some of the stats-oriented people like to ignore the numbers when it comes to Theriot's defense, which grades out in several measures better than what the eye might lead some people to believe. His UZR (ultimate zone rating) of 7.7 last year was seventh among shortstops behind leader Jack Wilson (14) and such notables as Cesar Izturis (10.8) and Rafael Furcal (8). Other sites and publications also give Theriot positive grades as a fielder."
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Bottom line, Jersey, your assessment of Theriot is unfairly harsh and factually inaccurate. The numbers (offensively and defensively) don't support your criticism.
And I already said defensive metrics are very unreliable.
Theriot is mediocrity personified, we've already seen the best he has to offer, and it wasn't much. Had he sustained his 2008 season for a few seasons I'd have a different opinion, but in 2007 and 2009 he was a drain on the team, and he's not going to improve in his 30's.
According to you, defensive metrics are unreliable, but they are the best tool we have (other than the eye test) for making player comparisons. Those metrics suggest that Theriot is slightly above average, defensively. He's going to after be the answer, whether you like it or not, until one of the youngsters is ready to play everyday on the major league level.
It is simple mathmatics. If he breaks camp with the big club, his free agency clock starts running and he would be a free agent after the 2015 season. If he is up before May 30th, he will be arbitration eligible a year earlier. This deciision would probably end up costing the Cubs an extra 10 - 15 million. I am all for Castro winning the job before the season is over, but Hendry would have to be crazy to do this. Castro should start the year in Iowa and get ready to be the starter on June 1st.
We can only hope Castro is still in a Cubs uniform in 5 years, free agent to be or not. It would be huge for the organization to develop a star middle infielder. When was the last time it happened? Even Sandberg wasn't drafted by the Cubs.
That's where he should start. May as well let him play in good weather for the first month.
But it's pretty simple IMO. You want Castro's age 20-25 season? or do you want his 21-26 aged seasons?
He did great in AA/A as a 19 year old, but "as a 19 year old" doesn't matter in Chicago. Take age out of the question and he was OK, nothing great.
Give him a year.
Sounds like whatever comes of the Castro-Theriot scenario, it should be good for everyone. A little competition never hurt anyone...
Good stuff today, Bruce, as usual.
Lots of stuff to cover. I think the Theriot-Castro situation can be beneficial. If Castro can handle it, no reason to hold him back.
Hi Bruce,
Listening to the game on the radio today, it sounded like he had a good day. Do the Cubs still regard him as a prospect that could play everyday in the big leagues? Sounds like he has been overtaken by Jackson, Burke, Adducci, others?.
I also thought it was interesting a couple of days ago you did not mention Tony Thomas in your discussion of second baseman. He was a hot prospect 2-3 years ago and he is still in the organization.
Funny how the ratings of these prospects fluctuate.
Yes, they still do regard him as an everyday player. We'll see how the extra weight helps him. Adduci is probably a fourth-outfielder type. Jackson, the Cubs believe, is a five-tool guy and a great athlete. Burke is on the rise, but I don't know if you can say at this stage any of these guys has "passed" Colvin.
You always answer your posts. Keep up the great work.
The blog works because of the interaction among us all. Can't wait for the season to start.
Bruce - touchy subject but I will ask anyway...4-5 years ago, stories about players like Tyler Colvin coming into spring training being 25 pounds heavier (muscle weight as its been described) would have been looked at very suspiciously. Is the perception that the game has really cleaned itself up to the point that these stories no longer arouse the same suspicions?
I suppose that's part of it. As testing in the minor leagues is more stringent, players run a bigger risk of doing something foolish.