Big Z was mostly right (and UPDATED Cubs stuff)
Big day in Cubdom. It's draft day. Oh, yeah, then there's that whole Big Z aftermath thing. We'll see what comes of it today in Cincinnati. I don't expect general manager Jim Hendry to leave draft headquarters in Mesa to deal with the situation.
UPDATE: My ear-to-the-ground research indicates that field manager Mike Quade will handle/address the Z situation in Cincinnati later today and that no suspension for Big Z is in the cards. That's a good thing.
We'll get to the draft, the minor leagues and all that in a few minutes. I hope to be on the conference call with scouting director Tim Wilken tonight. And thanks again to all of you guys for making this blog rock the last week or so. We continue to do huge numbers.
As far as Z goes, he was mostly right. Like it or not. He was wrong in throwing teammate Carlos Marmol under the bus _somebody on Twitter pointed out that the bus had already hit and that Z was just pointing to the tire tracks _ but on all the rest of it, he was dead on. You're going to get some of the easy and predictable reactions in the media, like the Cubs should suspend Z.
Huh?
Let's do a little amateur exercise here. What if it were, say, Ryan Dempster, who said what Z said yesterday, sans the Marmol diss? My guess is people would say, "Wow, here is a guy who is always trying to be funny, and now he's taking off on the team. Things must be really bad. Good for Demp."
Or how about Marlon Byrd? People would probably be saying, "This is why they brought Marlon here. He's a leader who plays the game right and isn't afraid to say what needs to be said. Good for Marlon."
I remember back in 2002, when the Cubs were lousy. They had already gotten Don Baylor fired as manager and were well on the way to getting interim boss Bruce Kimm shown the door. I went up to Kerry Wood in the Shea Stadium clubhouse and asked him about things. He mentioned that stuff had gotten out of hand. He cited shortstop Ricky Gutierrez, who played for the Cubs in 2000 and 2001. Kerry told me that if Ricky had seen some of the on-field and off-field stuff that went on that year, he would have been all over people. Kerry was clearly unhappy with the direction of the team, and he let it be known.
Maybe there was some selfish motivation to Z's rant yesterday. Instead of being 5-2, as he is now, he should at least be 7-2 with an ERA of 3.98. With that kind of record and a chance at double-digit wins by July, we'd be talking All-Star Game for Z. But I definitely think Z is ticked about the team, the way it plays the game and its place in the standings.
And despite his problems of last year (which started with the Cubs shunting him off to the bullpen), the guy's got some cachet around here. He outlasted both Wood and Mark Prior as starting pitchers. He's overcome some of anger-management issues and redefined himself as a guy who can get you out by thinking and finesse and also by the occasional power pitch sometimes.
For his career, Z is 121-76 with a 3.52 ERA and a WHIP of 1.31. He's been the Cubs' best pitcher of this day. Ten or so years ago, watching in spring training, I turned to somebody and said, "Wow, this guy's got better pure stuff than either Wood or Prior." And he did.
Yes, he frittered away a lead in Game 1 of the 2003 NLCS against the Marlins at Wrigley. But I also wonder how things would have turned out if Lou hadn't lifted him too early in Game 1 of the NLDS in 2007 at Arizona.
So yes, Z should apologize to Marmol, especially after supporting Marmol after last week's 6-run implosion by the closer. And that should be the end of it. Give Z the ball Friday in Philly and let's go from there.
And as far as his comments about the Cubs being a Triple-A team goes, let it be a case of, "if the shoe fits." Actually, I've likened this bunch to a first-year expansion team rather than a Triple-A team. You've got a lot of untested rookies and inexperienced players and a handful of veterans past their primes.
Basing on my emails and checking the other sites and blogs and places like Twitter, public support for Z seems at an all-time high. Can't wait for the Wrigley reaction next Wednesday, June 15, when Z toes the slab against the Brewers. Might sell a few tickets, which the Cubs could use.
TV analyst Bob Brenly, who said last year the Cubs were a 'dead-ass team' when Z went off in the Sox Park dugout, had this take on WSCR radio this morning:
"Big Z is just expressing what a lot of fans feel, what a lot of us broadcasters feel, and as usual, doesn't always choose his words properly, doesn't always choose his forum properly, but I applaud the emotions.
"This has been, once again, another dead-ass team. You've got some guys that look like they're just playing out the string, and we're only in the first (week) of June here, and we know from past experience that Carlos is not one of those guys that can sit by idly and keep his mouth shut and just let things continue to spiral downward. He's going to express his opinion, he's going to be emotional about it when he does it
"I don't view this as a suspendable offense or anything like that. I just think it's a guy who is frustrated with the way the season has gone, he's frustrated with the way his teammates have approach their daily business.
“I'm sure there are times when Carlos is just as guilty as anybody on that roster.
"For me, it's time. It's about time that somebody stood up and said, 'Enough is enough. I'm tired of watching this.'"
As far as the draft goes, I've seen all kinds of predictions and mock drafts. I have no idea how it will go because Tim Wilken is the Cubs' scouting director, and he's liable to have a kid in the middle of Wyoming targeted. So let's wait.
Before we get to the minor-league report, our old pal Ken Rosenthal weighs in on the Cubs. He says: “The worst thing about the Cubs? You can’t even blow them up.” Here’s a link:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-mess-just-getting-worse-...
MINOR-LEAGUE ROUNDUP
Casey Coleman had a nice outing for Class AAA Iowa yesterday in a 9-8 win over Omaha. Casey did not get a decision as he worked 6 innings, giving up 1 hit and 2 runs, 1 earned. He walked two and struck out seven. Bryan LaHair hit his 15th homer. Marcos Mateo got the win, pitching 1.2 perfect innings of relief.
Class AA Tennessee got a walk-off RBI single from Brett Jackson to beat Jackson (the team) 6-5. Brett is on his way back after a finger injury. If Tyler Colvin continues to struggle at the plate, the Cubs might as well get Jackson up here and let him play every day in center until Byrd gets back.
"I was fortunate enough that the injury wasn't as serious as it could have been," Jackson told the Knoxville News Sentinel. "A couple of weeks down and I was excited to get back into uniform and back on the field. It's been relatively smooth."
Pitcher Dallas Beeler has joined the Smokies from Class A Peoria, getting a promotion after Trey McNutt went on the DL with injured ribs.
Class A Daytona snapped a rare three-game losing streak, beating Brevard County 10-4. Dae-Eun Rhee got the win, working 6 innings and giving up 3 hits and 3 earned runs while walking one and striking out five. Jake Opitz hit his fourth homer.
Peoria fell 6-2 to Great Lakes. Hayden Simpson, last year's No. 1 pick, worked 4.2 innings, giving up 3 hits and 3 runs, 2 earned. He walked one and struck out four.


Boy that's a surprise.....he has such fire to win and all....I doubt he's cozy in the current country club atmoshere of low expectations and no demands.
No reason for agent to say he'll waive until actual trade presented - they lose any leverage.
It's never been his nature to be a team leader and if he tried it, it would go something like this, "WE STINKS!"
and the media would be after his head.
they'd have to wake him up.
I would have thought Hendry and Wilken would go heavy on college players, under the theory that the upside might not be as high as with prep stars but the odds of helping the big league team sooner and with more predictability trumps that. Similar to how Kenny Williams picked Chris Sale last year, knowing that Sale had good shot at being a quick fix to Sox.
Also, it is worth noting that the Cubs rank among the worst ballclubs in the post Dallas Green era in terms of drafting and developing prep versus college talent.
I have a sinking feeling that Hendry is going to be GM for a lot longer than hoped. It's unfathomable to me that he has job security, but you can't ignore the messages being sent. God how I have come to despise Tom Ricketts.
The last two drafts (2010/2011) are more like what I expected when we added Wilken, based on his history that I can recall from Toronto - some more gambling on HS guys.
This looks to be a five year plan.
Given the group that is about major league ready (Jackson, Vitters, Flaherty, etc.) this looks like the group to supplement that.
If they don't give them time to let the plan run its course this makes no sense from a group that traditionally draft college.
Only a small group of pitchers too, which I find odd considering the positional talent is better then the pitching I think.
Vitters is a bust.
I'm not sure any of those players are going to be the next great thing, but they just seem to be the next group on the way.
Vitters is kind of interesting though. He doesn't strike out. I think he's only got like 15 Ks something like that. I wonder if getting him in a league with better control might actually help him (not that they'd never figure out they could get him to get himself out eventually..see Castro).
wouldn't getting him in a league with better control lead to pitchers throwing pitches at spots that they know Vitters will swing, but that he'll make weak contact on? That's Vitters problems in a nutshell right now, by most accounts. Namely, he has a good eye that can tell a strike from a ball, but he'll swing at strikes that he can't make good contact off of, rather than waiting for a better pitch to drive.
He's only 22. I don't know if I'd call him a bust at this point, slow developing for sure, but I'd say that the .270 avg he's carrying is pretty projectable to the bigs. If his problem is getting himself out, he's likely to do that at every level as he's not overmatched.
I mean .270 with 20-25 hrs, 90-100 RBI would be pretty ok I'd say. Maybe not an All-Star, but he'd be a solid player.
"Also, it is worth noting that the Cubs rank among the worst ballclubs in the post Dallas Green era in terms of drafting and developing prep versus college talent."
Show me this study, because it sounds very interesting.
I'm reacting to comment made by Jon Heyman on MLB Network.
The first semi-legitimate position player to be developed post-Dallas Green...Corey Patterson. Nuff said. Other than that you have to fast forward to the abysmal Felix Pie before jumping to Geovany Soto and Starlin Castro. And no, I don't count Tyler Friggin Colvin and his buck eighteen batting average "semi-legitimate." Yet another wasted Wilken manuever in the draft.
the word "position" in your original post.
And Tyler Colvin is a college player.
Cubs popped big time upside with Maples in the 14th.
A heavy prep draft. Wonder if we can get them all signed. If we get Maples to go with Baez, Vogelbach, that will have been a good draft in terms of talent. Gonna be curious.
Sure feels like this draft has to be looked at side by side with the 2010 pitching heavy draft in regards to balancing out system needs on the positional side this year.
Since I haven't paid much attention to the MLB draft in previous years, how early is considerd good in a 50 round draft?
I mean what are the odds that all/any of these guys sign?
I noticed they drafted Dunston and Gretzky's kids also
I don't get the first part of the question. What do you mean by how early is good? For the player? For the team? Obviously, players hope to go early, but teams can still find talent late (witness recent Cubs picks of Struck, McNutt, Beeler).
As for odds that all these guys sign ... well, that's the big thing. Maples has huge demands, and I have my doubts. I can dream/hope, but I have my doubts. I imagine that Baez/Vogelbach wouldn't have been picked if the cross-checkers weren't fairly confident they could get them signed. After that, it's pretty much up in the air. The first three rounds are protected, so after that is when I'd have bigger questions on signing guys (doesn't mean guys in the top 3 rounds always get signed, but teams usually do their hwk on that).
I think there was a statistic somewhere once that said around 90% of the kids in the top 10 rounds sign. Maybe it was a touch higher or lower, but somewhere around there.
If you are the kid, what is considered a high draft pick?
For example, I know getting drafted at all is quite an accomplishment, but I'd consider the top half of the draft as a good accomplishment.
I guess the question is the money? Where do the signing bonuses, salaries make more sense to go to college?
someone more knowledgeable can probably better address that than me. It's sort of a tough question to answer in this respect - even with the slotting system, it's well known that teams will go overboard and pay for guys later (again, witness Struck, McNutt, and Beeler, all of whom were overslots). Furthermore, this draft is unique in that the rumors of a hard slotting system seem stronger than ever, and teams may wish to dole out.
Some teams, though, will follow slot guidelines fairly strictly, or are limited to it. For example, most acknowledge the Dodgers drafted Reed due to their financial problems.
My general feeling is that top 10 rounds is a good accomplishment and the chances are high that they'll go pro. The money is obviously better with the higher rounds, but top 10 rounds sort of gives you a longer look by teams. I haven't actually done enough research, though, and maybe someone else would wish to chime in.
Taylor Scott out of Notre Dame HS in Arizona. 6'3" 165 RH pitcher. Fresh arm, not played much. Lots of ability with 2 pitches. Very projectible.
Was projected as a supplemental round pick. 6'3" RH pitcher, excellent fastball. Needs to work on command.
I like the big time fastball, and the slider has shown promise, but I was really hoping for more long term upside. That said, this sort of fits Wilken's past draft patterns with the Cubs of taking some college guys in the 3rd-7th rounds that could move fast. Could move fast, and if they polish up the slider, I could see him develop like rhoderick has so far (in terms of speed moving up the ladder).
Great example there. My issue is that while these guys skyrocket up the ladder they are still struggling with their command (4.5 bb/9 for Rhoderick) at times. Zych struggled with command at U of L this season. It's doubtful that he'd just start throwing strike after strike as soon as he signs. Bunch of Mike McDougal's at best.
I'm not saying that these are bad picks because like you can't teach height in the NBA, you can't teach velocity in baseball. My point is that there is no reason to be rushing these guys through the system if they aren't throwing strikes consistently.
going into the draft and nabbing him in the 4th round...how anyone can be disappointed in that kind of pick.
I'd argue that, watching him this year, this is a kid limited solely to the pen. The Cubs may get him work as a starter, to develop his pitches, but his future is almost likely in the pen. He's basically another Dolis in some respects, big time fastball, will flash with the slider, but inconsistent with it.
I don't dislike this pick, but i'm not enthused about drafting a guy whose future is in the pen, not when the organization has a bunch of areas that it could address in the system. From a pure, pick the best talent possible, its a decent move, but from a long range perspective, yes, I'm a touch disappointed with it.
I agree. I think this could in fact be an upside pick. I think it was picking the best available player at this point.
The reason a guy might start throwing strikes (might I say) is better level of coaching in a major league system than on a random college program. He could be a tweak in mechanics away from being dominant.
I agree with your assessment with the strike throwing becoming more consistent because of the coaching. I'm just not seeing the results, yet. If Rhoderick can't get those walks down in Daytona then he shouldn't be moving up to Tennessee, where his BB/9 has actually increased.
If they keep pushing these guys before they are ready then we're going to end up with a lot of crummy players.
See, I don't think you can make general statements like that. Coaching is different with every individual. Some guys get it, some guys don't. Some guys probably just can't.
I don't see it as a coaching problem. There will always be more guys who fail than make it. You draft the best arms and hope it works out.
I would always rather draft guys with stuff than guys with nothing and hope there control is enough. Greg Maddux (actually threw in the low 90s first 10 year of his career or so) type control and feel for pitching is 1 in 10,000.
If they aren't ready to be moved up, don't move them up is my point. Whether it's coaching or just their inability to control their pitches, they shouldn't be promoted if they have a bb/9 of 4.5. Same deal with taking walks. I think the Cubs would be very surprised if they started putting some pre-requisites for promotion into place.
In the fifth round I shouldn't be making selections based on hope. These guys should have a pretty solid track record or I should have the confidence that my coaching staff can maximize their talents and minimize their weaknesses. Organizational issue.
Cubs 3rd round pick, CF from University of Miami.
I was hoping for more ceiling. Sort of fits some past draft patterns of Wilken in that Wilken has drafted some safer, college guys in that 3rd-7th round-ish area. I like DeVoss, but was hoping for a power arm or another power bat. Here's hoping for the best.
Daniel Vogelbach left handed hitting 1st baseman.
You do realize that no team in their right mind would spend a 2nd round pick on a 1st baseman and then go out and sign Pujols to a long term deal, right?
I think you can put a Pujols signing by the Cubs back on the shelf.... and probably a deal for Montero too.
I don't think teams worry about a high school draftee when they sign free agents. This 1B is so far away that it has no bearing on that.
Not that I think the Cubs are going to sign a 1B anyway, but it won't be because of this kid.
Makes sense to me:
2011 MLB Draft: Chicago Cubs Giving Up on Albert Pujols with Daniel Vogelbach?
June 7, 2011
St. Louis Cardinals are sure to try to retain Albert Pujols when his contract expires after the season and teams like the Toronto Blue Jays or Texas Rangers could get involved, but no potential suitor for the three-time NL MVP has generated more attention than the Chicago Cubs.
However, the Cubs may be signaling that they do not have Pujols in their long-term plans with their second-round pick (No. 68 overall) of prep first baseman Dan Vogelbach.
Baseball America says that Vogelbach, who hit a 508-foot home run at last year's Power Showcase, has "excellent strength and a sound, loose swing," giving him "some of the best lefthanded power in the draft."
Most teams draft based on talent, not current needs, so we shouldn't read too much into the choice. Still, though, one would have to imagine that the Cubs wouldn't have spent an early pick on a player who could be blocked for years to come
Believe what you will. But Vogelbach will not be the reason the Cubs don't go after Pujols in much the same way the Nats taking Bryce Harper didn't stop them from shelling out 9 figures for Jayson Werth and the Brewers taking Matt LaPorta even though they had Prince Fielder.
Not at the top of my list when I was pondering the 2nd round, but he does address the big concern on the lack of power prospects in the system. He also has some traits that Wilken looks for when drafting bats fairly high - namely, good bat speed and quick wrists. The addition of Baez and Vogelbach certainly add a lot more power potential to the system, and along with a guy like Golden and Kim in the low levels, there's some power hope to look to.
While I'd like to see an arm at some point, the arms in the low levels are quite intriguing, and if Derek Fisher slips to the 3rd round, I do hope the Cubs go after some more system pop.
Interesting picks to say the least in that the Cubs usually go with pitching in the higher rounds.
I'm wondering if Wilkens is shying away from that strategy in that these pitchers too often end up being wasted picks because it seems like these guys invariably end up needing arm surgery somewhere along the way.
I also wonder if he's setting himself up for next year's draft where it's likely he'll have a top 3 pick (if not the #1) and that would be the ideal time to load up on good pitchers with high ceilings and top of the rotation potentials.
For those very reasons, I'm good with what he's trying to do so far.
I've only briefly looked at the 2012 draft, and others are more knowledgeable, but off the top, the chances are high that several of the elite players in the draft will be positional guys. A lot of time to go, though.
I think that I'm good with this (I won't fathom a guess as to whether or not Wilken is actually contemplating 2012 ... particularly when he might not be here) because
a) System sorely needed power prospects.
b) System needed to gamble on upside, and the top two kids fit that.
c) System has a lot of quality arms in XST. AzPhil posted a mock roster for Boise the other day, and that might be as talented a squad as we've had in Boise in a long time, and there were still enough intriguing pieces left over in Arizona (and this is pre-draft).
d) System needed to fill in some positional questions that had developed in the past year. We had become somewhat similar to the 2003 system, a system loaded with exciting pitching far away, but with question marks positionally. My guess is that, like Flaherty did coming up, they'll let Baez play in the middle infield to start, and with the two DSL kids, along with some of the XST guys, there's a chance that our MI questions are addressed.
I tend to agree. While the system is pretty bare at AAA, AA is loaded with solid/good prospects, Daytona is loaded with good prospects, Peoria is loaded with good prospects, and apparently so are the Dominican Summer Leagues and X Spring Training team.
Was really disappointed about Whitenack TJ surgery. Between him, Cashner, and McNutt, I like the future of our pitching staff.
Methinks that the two of you are either overly optimistic about what's in the Cub system or that you're geniuses that know more than Baseball America.... which ranks the Cubs' system at #16.
I'm not sure why I'm getting lumped in here. Let's look at the two things I said about the system -
a) That it was akin to 2003, when we had what BA called one of the best, if not the best, collection of arms in the minors. Problem was, most of these kids were in XST and many of them failed to develop/had injuries/were dealt.
b) That XST and the projected Boise roster by AzPhil predraft has an exciting group of guys, particularly on the arm side, and is one of the more talented rosters we've had at Boise in awhile.
This is obviously debatable until performance kicks in, but there stands a good chance that Luis Liria, Ben Wells, and Austin Reed are in Boise, and the three of them are arguably, on paper, in the top 5 in terms of pitching upside in the system. I've said before that I think, on paper, Ben Wells scouting report has the potential to be a legit ace caliber arm (big body kid, good mechanics, big time fastball, advanced feel for secondary pitches for his age). Austin Reed was really strong in XST/Rookie work last year, although there seems to be mixed reports this spring. Some mechanical issues there to iron out, but good lower half indicates some possible projection for him. Jin-Yeong Kim was a big time Asian signee, getting what amounted to first round money. I'm still not sure what his upside is, and I think a lot of people praise him on account of the signing bonus, but everything so far has suggested a kid in the low 90's with four solid pitches. I like some of the other arms that may end up there, but that's an exciting foursome of arms to follow.
Positionally, there stands a chance that Boise will have some legit power potential. Sure, Reggie Golden was fat entering camp and had to get into shape, and is a huge risk to be a bust, but he's got power potential that the system sorely lacks. Same, to a lesser degree, for Dong-Yub Kim (though AzPhil had him slated for rookie ball), Dustin Geiger (a personal favorite from the last draft, but far, far away and raw), and Wilson Contreras. I've always been a fan of Wes Darvill, and although I don't have the high end expectations anymore, he still has a chance to turn into a Flaherty-esque guy. The Cubs were working with him on power in the winter, reportedly, and the one thing they've done well in recent years is their strength and conditioning program that enhance players.
No where did I suggest that they would succeed, but there's definitely some upside down there. The last Boise Hawks squad that had this level of talent, pre-current year draft, I really don't recall right now. The Vitters year had the help of the current draft class, and I don't recall the pitching being that strong there that year.
* Unless your complaint is about my comment that our MI problems are answered. If so, then I'll say I should've clarified that my point is that our MI depth chart questions, in terms of talent, should look better next year than right now. It's somewhat thin right now in terms of MI talent.
>> Unless your complaint is about my comment that our MI problems are answered. <<
No complaint at all!
I just see a pretty wide chasm between what you & CM post about the Cubs minor league system and what the people you guys sometimes reference say.
and my point is ... what exactly have i said that would disagree with what other people say? I simply said there's talent down there. I've also said in the past that this was a 15-24 system, middle of the pack, maybe slightly below the medium point. I've also noted, in a response to goniou I think, that the system is probably a step behind where it was post-Garza trade.
The talent's there in the lower levels. Doesn't mean that they will develop. Look back on the 03 class. Off the top, maybe only 2-3 of the guys that were highly respected saw time in the bigs, if at all (too lazy to dig it up right now). Furthermore, talent in the lower levels has a minimal impact (relatively speaking) on system rankings unless it is truly exceptional talent (again, relatively speaking). There still needs to be more talent added, and this draft is addressing key positional needs. I don't think this is a great draft, but I think this is a draft that is good for the system, if that makes sense.
Keep in mind that the praise of Wells (at draft time) and Reed (after his 2010 season) was quite high from many places, including BA. Golden's talent was something most publications touted.
So ... where is this chasm? I ask this in all honesty because sometimes I don't think you are actually reading my posts and just making ... and I don't mean this in a harsh way just can't think of a better way to phrase it right now ... auto-canned responses. I have not called this a top system for some time, I had said that I thought Ba's ranking of the Cubs system 8th pre-Garza trade was ridiculous ... I just don't see where this chasm you seem to see has existed in my comments.
Unless we want to go back to that Robinson Chirinos comment that you went off about last year.
>> So ... where is this chasm? <<
I, admittedly, don't pay much attention to the minors below the AA level and only fleeting attention out of curiosity at AA & AAA.
You seem to.
So when I read your posts about the Boise, XSP and Tenn teams..... it sounds pretty hopeful, exciting, that the Cubs seem to be getting it together prospect-wise and that there's true talent that'll come up from those teams.
However, when I see that BP rates the Cub system at #16.... pretty middlin'.....
To me, that's a chasm of opinion and both you and BP can't be right.
Now, if you're basing your optimism regarding the Cubs system in a relative sense.... like relative to their historical norms for player development..... different story.
I still don't see how my calling this a middle of the pack system, perhaps a tick below middle, is somehow a wide chasm with what BP is saying, or what BA has said.
Furthermore, again, I have my doubts that you read my comments thoroughly because I've specifically said before that I don't see many star quality players in the upper levels. There's good talent, guys that can potentially fit roles. I've said before that I think Brett Jackson could be a 3rd or 4th best bat on a good club (at his peak), and that's my top guy for the system right now. I've said that I think I buy that Flaherty has enough power for a corner role, but what position does he play? I've had enough doubts on LeMahieu's bat before. I like the raw ability of some of the arms at Tennessee right now, but never have I suggested any of them were ace material, and I've noted several times this year on Cubs/minors sites that I have questions about McNutt's ceiling (that is, I wonder if it is as high as some claimed last year). I will say that I am a big, big fan of Nick Struck, having seen him a few times, and did go on one site pre-season and say that I thought he had a chance to be a top 100 prospect by season's end, so that's fair game.
Finally, I noted this above, but talent in XST will only have a marginal impact on system rankings unless it is truly exceptional talent. Furthermore, the positive reports on some of the guys (Wells/Reed/Golden) was largely acknowledged by most parties.
Again, don't take this personally, but I really don't think you've really thoroughly read my comments before. I'm usually pretty careful with how I word things (witness our little Chirinos discussion last fall ... doesn't mean I won't occasionally get loose with language). It's either that, or you are over-reacting to my saying that there is talent at XST that is slated for Boise, which, if you go through the individual reports done on the players I've noted, is largely acknowledged by most reputable sources (and I am still not as sold on Jin Yeong Kim as some folks are).
To top it off ... this little discussion thread started because I said that AzPhil's projection for Boise, was as talented a squad as I can recall (I will acknowledge that in the initial post, I forgot to put pre-draft in there). Can you name me a Boise squad, in recent years, that was more talented than this, pre-draft?
Players can move quickly up the prospect charts (just like Chris Archer did last year). Cubs happen to have a lot of guys having great years, in my opinion.
That ranking was done a long time ago (by seasonal standards). It could take a hit based on the Whitenack injury though. And when Jackson graduates to the majors, it will take another hit. But that is a good thing.
Where is everyone getting the draft results from? I'm trying to follow on mlb.com but they seem about a 20'ish picks behind
when i have time as well ... i think their watch live thing offers more accurate, up to date results, and the draft tracker there is updated more frequently, whereas if you go to the draft tracker that is linked from mlb.com, it's a lot behind.
mlb.com the only place I have found it