Playing with the depth chart
It's not easy figuring out how the Blackhawks' depth chart might look approaching training camp.
Like I wrote in Sunday's paper, assuming restricted free agents Michael Frolik, Chris Campoli and Viktor Stalberg are signed at some point in the near future, it would give the Hawks 27 players in the mix for jobs in the fall. That includes Ben Smith, Marcus Kruger, Jeremy Morin, Kyle Beach and Brett McLean.
It certainly would seem general manager Stan Bowman is going to make a trade, particularly with a hole still to fill at center on the second line.
The longer negotiations with Frolik, Campoli and Stalberg drag on, the more chances improve that they could be in play for a trade. Bowman was pretty adamant the other day that he would get his three RFAs signed, but it would seem as if the players have lost a lot of leverage with the recent additions of Andrew Brunette, Steve Montador, Sean O'Donnell, Jamal Mayers and Dan Carcillo.
“I'm confident we're going to get them signed,” Bowman said.
Here's how the depth chart might look today:
Forwards
Brunette – Toews – Kane
Smith – Sharp – Hossa
Frolik – Bolland – Olesz
Carcillo – Mayers – Bickell
Spares – Stalberg, Kruger, Morin
Defense
Keith – Leddy
Hjalmarsson – Seabrook
Campoli – Montador
O'Donnell – Scott
Goalies
Crawford and Salak
Of course, adding a second-line center would change things. Sharp could go back to left wing on the first line with Toews and Kane, with Brunette dropping to the second line with Hossa and the new center.
If there is no trade and Bolland slides up to second center with Brunette and Hossa, it would have to mean Kruger shows in camp he can be the third-line guy.
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I wonder how many players want to punch Q in the face when he mixes up lines.
about Olesz. They scouted and targeted him! They believe the magic of the indian head jersey will transform his game. He will be on the team for opener vs the Stars.
Others have mentioned this but he is on IR; therefore he can not be bought out. Listen the Hawks are already eating the remaining 15 mil of Huet's contract. I doubt they want to consider more buy-out $$ indigestion!!
Prediction: Olesz stays and 1 or all 3 (Frolik, Campoli, Stalberg) are onto greener $$$ pastures. No way all 3 will be signed and remain with the team!
Hes cheap and doesnt speak english.
Looking and see Dubinsky is seeking 4.5 million and Ryan Callahan is after 4 million.
They have 16 players signed with just under 16 million cap space. That leaves 7.5 million for 4 players. What is Brian Boyle seeking?
They've never been a frugal team so I gotta sense Rangers will pay that when push comes to shove.
It not just about player performance or improvement. It is about what the guy next store got. Unfortunately for Stan it's about what he gave the guy in his store (Montador)! He is going to have a tough talking his way around that Montador contract in defending his offer to Campoli. I don't think StanBow ever thought Campoli would be a 3 mil a year Dman on the Hawks. But then again he never thought Hjarmy would end up in the 3 mil plus range.
Wish I knew what the two sides are looking for money and length of contract. Very curious.
Can they buy out Olesz contract if campoli wins arbitration? I mean if they're gonna pay 3 million, I'd rather it go to Campoli than Olesz.
Interesting article about what money the RFAs are looking for....
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/blackhawks/post/_/id/4667300/restricted-...
Can the New York Rangers has all of THEIRS before we have OURS?,so we know if they are keeping or launching their arbitration darlings, so we know to launch ours to get THEIRS?
He's soft Euro trash on the ice. The only times he showed anything is when Coach Q was fresh off shoving his shoe up his ass under the header of motivational speech. Guys like Stalberg frustrate, especially good hard-working teammates.
Bye-bye.
Campoli? If the money demand is too much, then the proper move to make is say bye-bye. I like the guy, but not at a stupid pricetag.
117 NHL games with 38 points...not realy a grinder but not a top 6; stone hands, minlmal playmaking skills, has speed and size but can't finish.....
Gee must be 2 mil a year LW in this market...**sheesh** Who are his comps!?!?
Here is a guy is lucky to have the opportunity to compete for a spot. Can't imagine the Hawks would go over $1.25 mil for this sack of so called potential!!
Waste!
Many analysts have ripped and ridiculed Dale for his crazy spending during the Blackhawks days. Well, let's take a look at what his team is making just 2 short years later:
2009-10 2011-12
Hossa $5.275 $5.275
Sharp $3.9 $3.9
Kaner $6.5 incl bonus $6.3
Bolland $3.375 $3.375
Ver Beauty $3.1 $3.1
Toews $4.95 incl bonus $6.3
Ladd $1.5 $4.4
Kopecky $1.2 $3.0
Eager $965k $1.1
Burish $965 $1.1
Fraser $700 $825
Bickell $500 $500
Skille $1.275 $825
Dowell $525 $800
Soupy $7.142 $7.142
Seabs $3.5 $5.8
Big Buff $3.0 $5.2
Barker $3.1 $2.25
Keith $1.475 $5.5
Hammer $643 $3.5
Niemi $826 $3.8
Craw Daddy $800 $2.6
The 09-10 team had an approx payroll of $55 mil while the 11-12 version has an approx payroll of $76.5 mil. Even, if you throw in Huet (5.6), the difference is astronomical in 2 short years. For all of the bashing that Tallon takes for handing out free checks, well here are the facts as other GM's are doing it as well.
This doesn't include the following free agents:
Madden made $2.75
Brouwer made $1.025
Sopel made $2.3
and can let go of Tallon's n=ts for few seconds, read what homer Jesse Rogers succinctly describe his signings while with the Hawks:
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/blackhawks/post/_/id/4667300/restricted-...
Is that these guys have cashed in for incredible amounts of money even after everyone says they were overpaid, or in Jessie's words on their 3rd contracts. I went to college with Jessie, he wasn't a hockey expert then and he isn't one now. If Buff was being paid like it was his 3rd contract and making $3 mil then what is hammer being paid like? His 5th contract??
Wiz, you are a knowledgeable hockey fan but if you are now basing hockey knowledge off of what Jessie says, then I'm not quite sure what to think.
Toews and Kane earned new big money deals in the interim. So too did Keith and Seabrook, and soon Sharp. Did you want these 5 to walk?!?
Learn how math works in the modern NHL.
I feel like the king of the world. Especially with all of the moronic posts that this Chuck sends out on a daily basis. I hate this guy, fast forward 2 months, i told you this guy was going to be a stud. No one talks out of his ass more than Goniou.
The piece was just meant to show how some guys have exploded on the salary front and what our payroll (hypothetically) would be if we had to match offers on these guys (well, we did on one of them at least):
Ladd from 1.5 to 4.4
Buff from 3.0 to 5.2
Niemi from $800k to $3.8
Hammer from $643 to $3.9
These guys have all received deals since the one that Tallon gave them and they all received huge pay raises - 3 different GMS are involved.
I agree that the NHL is a different beast but we also don't win the cup without buff, soupy or Ladd. Point being, we were going to face cap issues regardless of who is in charge. We shall see if Sharpie takes a home town discount. I would still try to deal Hossa as i am fearful that this guy is slowing breaking down and yrs 5-12 of that deal are going to be tough.
As the crack head was typing this, he was sitting in front of a mirror....He thought he was writing to himself. Just remember, all of the Hawks issues last year were Skille's fault. For a good laugh, turn the Cubs blogs and just look how he get ripped day after day. I think he posts the same garbage on both blogs, but just changes the names of the players...after all, it's tough for him to come up with an original thought without mentioning the name "Skille"!
For all you Dale Tallon lovers, the difference is
HE GAVE OUT THOSE CONTRACTS BEFORE THEY WERE UFA's.
The guy just WENT OUT and DID it AGAIN:
SEAN BERGENHEIM 11 million dollars and a medical concern!
He even overpaid SOPEL!!!!! Thank goodness Sopel changed his game enough to be an important lesser part of the CUP team.
So....two years LATER you see that salaries were lower? THE CAP was LOWER!
It is clear you don't understand that you build by way of your younger players comng in and STAYING at lesser Cap numbers...you reward only the BEST with solid fair deals, and then you let the rest of the league OVERPAY them.
Maybe if Stan could have found a sucker for Campbell LAST post season, we would have kep a few more of them, but NEVER at the RATES they get now.
I don't think you are seeing this....in the correct reference.
Can we move on from wantinf Ladd back and how great Tallon is (was)???
It serves no purpose here....
Dale isn't intelligent enough to operate from the GM seat. It's as brutally honest as that. Give John McDonough credit for recognizing a core weakness and addressing it. Dale should restrict his activities to scouting where he has a demonstrated track record of enviable success.
his love of the game and his passion, but he got a ring. Thank you, Dale, for all you did that helped winn the Cup.
In the same way that Dennis Savard had no real business being head coach of an NHL franchise, the same holds true with Dale Tallon regarding the GM role. I grew up watching Dale and love everything about the guy. I especially miss the chemistry Pat Foley and he had in the booth for so long. But Dale is a guy who got promoted up to the big chair more because he was willing to be errand boy for Dollar Bill and Pully for several years versus real skill set for the job.
No question Tallon is a great scout. And while I cried the day McDonough axed him I wasn't at all surprised of the move. In hindsight it was the best thing to happen to the future of the Hawks. And I say that with all due respect to Dale.
I'm not sure what the heck Dale is smoking in Florida right now. I guess he's seeking instant gratification on the ice while he spends the majority of his focus on drafting and developing the right young talent for the future. He's certainly accumlated an ecletic and insanely overpaid role players in short order. Yeesh.
He had to spend over $20 million to reach the league mandated rule. The fa class was weak and Dale went after what was available quickly so that he wasn't left with complete scraps. Let's see how this plays out as most guys are on 3-4 yr deals. He has had two strong drafts in a row down there and the arrow is pointing up. Well, actually it couldn't go any further south. The goofy thing is that they are probably still $15 mil below the cap.
Anyway, enough about the panthers and onto the hawks. Jettison Stahlberg and give Campoli and Frolik one last take it or leave it deal with a deadline. They have had both of these guys since March. If they loved it here and want to stay, they would have signed already. It's time to move on with all three. I think once the Soupy deal happened, Campoli's eyes or at least his agent's eyes lit up and figured they have the hawks right were they want him. Send Campoli to the Islanders or some other team that needs to hit the floor. Let him play in front of $13-$14k with no chance in making the playoffs.
Dear Andrew,
Thanks for sending me an autographed photo. It was awesome, just like you! You're the best. Thanks again!
Hawkeyboytoy
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Dear Andrew,
Some bloggers here think you'll be traded because we can't afford you. I told them that they were wrong. You're a Blackhawk forever because you're an awesome player! Did I thank you for the great autograph you sent me? In case I didn't, thank you!
Hawkeyboytoy
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Dear Andrew,
What happened!?! They traded you! How could they!? Do they not understand that your awesome checking drove our opponents to the ground? I don't understand. This is wrong. You're a Blackhawk, not a Thrasher. There must be some mistake. They must have meant Boynton, not you. They should get this cleared up soon and you'll be a Blackhawk again where you belong. BTW, that was awesome with you on that mountain with the Stanley Cup.
Your number one fan,
Hawkeyboytoy
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Dear Andrew,
Training camp has started and somehow you're still a Thrasher. What is wrong with these people? Do they not understand how awesome you are??? It makes no sense. I'll see if I can get you back to Chicago. I'll make some of my famous brownies and send them to thrashers GM Rick Dudley. he'll then understand that this is a misunderstanding and send you back to Chicago where you belong.
Faithfully yours,
Hawkeyboytoy
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Dear Andrew,
Rick Dudley is an ass. He ate my brownies but said there was nothing he could do as he wants to keep you on his team. i don't like him anymore. The season has started and you're playing on the wrong team. The Blackhawks are struggling and they don't seem to understand that its because you're not there! Why is everybody confused except me!?! Don't worry, Andrew. I'll figure something out.
Always,
Hawkeyboytoy
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Dear Andrew,
Well, the trade deadline is almost here and I wrote Stan Bowman telling him he should trade to get you back. I sent him some chocolate chip cookies just to make sure. Soon everything will be right again. I'm so excited I almost peed my pants thinking about it!
Hawkeyboytoy
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Dear Andrew,
What is wrong with these people???? The trade deadline passed and you're still there??? they traded Eager and Sopel but not you. Don't they understand how wrong it is you wearing that blue jersey. You should be in red. Thats how I always dream of you. The worst part was my birthday was last week and my mom bought me a Thrashers jersey. I almost a had a heart attack! I'm 42 years old for crying out loud. She knows better than this!This sucks. Hey, remember when you gave me that autographed photo? That was the best day of my life! Don't lose hope, Andrew. I'll get you out of there yet!
You're greatest fan,
Hakeyboytoy
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Dear Andrew,
Well, the Blackhawks were eliminated and I told everyone that its not a surprise because you weren't there. That Kesler thinks he's so good. You would have put him in his place if you were there. I just know it! I thought some ideas and may have figured a way to get you back. I'll write Stan and tell him to trade Campbell and that will make room for you! Pretty smart huh? Hold on, Andrew. We'll get this straightened out yet!
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Dear Andrew,
Stan Bowman is a stupidass. He traded Campbell but didn't get you back. What is wrong with him?!! Doesn't he realize how awesome you are!?! Don't give up. I'll go visit his office and tell him face to face that you must be brought back. Then he'll understand!
Hawkeyboytoy
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Dear Andrew,
WHY??? Why did you sign with Winnipeg Jets??? This makes no sense??? I thought we were gonna get you back but we can't do that when you're signing 5 year deals with Winnipeg. Were you drinking that day? You're just making it tougher but don't worry I'll get you back yet!
Hawkeyboytoy
I knew who hockeyboytoy was.....
Viktor Stalberg ALSO filed for arbitration!
going going .....gone!
REMEMBER: Campoli and Stalberg can still reach agreement with the Hawks prior to the arbitration hearings.
Useless waste of size and speed. Try to sign Campoli and Frolik, however set a deadline of this weekend. If they don't sign, then they are all about the dollars and don't want to play here. Neither one of them set the world on fire last year, time to move on and get some guys that want to wear the Indian head.
I say Greyhound
signed for a year with the Sens prior to arb for 1.4 mil. His stats don't change at all. He seems to be a decent 4-6 D-man who can contribute 20-30 points a year. Great!!.
As we know it is all about comps or what's going on in the neighborhood!! And the Redwings over paying Erickson is messing the neighborhood up. The Wings signed him to a 9mil/ 3 year deal. Now here is a guy with 163 games of NHL exp at age 27 with a grand total of 9 goals and 33 points and a -11. A bit south of Campoli's output.
Campoli and his agent have to be looking for a similar deal and the Hawks are balking. Montador's stat's are simililar and the Hawks might be reluctant to have Campoli slotted above Montador's contract. I suspect they are about .5 - 1 mil per apart.
gone had more to do with the Hawks recent history with players going to arb since the lockout year. Granted not a big sample size: Niemi last year and Calder in 2005 or was it 2006??
Both players did not stay with the Hawks. If the Hawks win or Camnpoli wins and the Hawks accept....they might just move him either way. Soemthing about those arbitration experiences "sours" both the player and management! Sure could be dead wrong! But I see the odds increasing that Campoli plays somewhere else next year.
And, you may indeed be correct. I just don't see it that black and white. I think there's plenty of room for Campoli to return to the Hawks, arbitration or not. The Hawks walked from Niemi's arb award because they couldn't afford it. As far as Calder goes, that is ancient history and involved all people that are no longer calling the shots on West Madison so I wouldn't worry about that precedent in the evaluation. Though, again, you may be correct.
the question - what is Campoli's price. What is he worth? Is 2 to 3 mil too much? I don't think it is out of the question. If Campoli is looking for over 3 mil, then ouch. Tough call. Then Hawks need 6 solid dmen and at least two guys to step in when injuries occur. ODonnell is a question mark and will play depending upon matchups.
Look at Babchuck siging in Calgary and i think Ian White's signing for detroit for under 3 mil are decent signings, meaning reasonable.
The Russian can't stop anyone, and Ian White BETTER be worth every penny of it, because he is gonna be put to the test early. And between you and me White played out of his arse, and may not have enough to continue at that plane of excellence (?).
They were outrageous amounts of coin for either of them or if you gave it to Campoli.
I think you only get this far in the process (Actually filing) if all conversations between the parties were ones that pointed towards not getting the deal done, that the parties were SO FAR apart.
Everybody wants to feel wanted and a nicer contract does make you feel wanted.
I just don't see Stan being bullied into anything but one year deals with these tow, because if you start sheeling out to close to the top of the Cap...you know what?...you are are in the SAME POSITION you were when you have Campbell...and Campbell is way better than any of the players they just low-balled and signed.
are there any steals at 1 mil a year? How much does it cost to fill a solid 6 or 7 dman position? Vancouver didn't do too bad last year. The key is finding a player or developing a guy in the farm. Look as Boston: McQuade was 575k, boychuck 1.8k and Ference 2.2 and Seidenberg (their #2 dman) for 3.2k and tied up for several years. That is sweet.
Is 2 mil outrageous for Campoli? Is 2.3 outrageous for Campoli? Is Campoli asking for 3mil a year? And is SB offering 1.8mil or 1.6?
The lack of depth on the defensive core was one of the hawks major weaknesses last year (and the previous year) and really lead to some poor play by Keith and Seabrook. Especially the boys coming off a long cup victory season.
it is funny, evey Barker got bought out and still signed for 2.2 mil a year. wow!!!
SB will find out that arb is not the way to go with any player - if a player goes to arb, plan on a new plan and cut the player loose. I still don't understand why these players cannot take a home team discount. The steal so far, might be Vokoun for Washington for 1.5k - wow.
There is ex-Hawk Bryan McCabe, who has always been suspect defensively but can work the pp, but wants a pot of gold...and there's......Icedogs!
here is where hockeypuck chimes in!
I don't see them walking away from it if it's in their favor simply because Campoli fits a need they have for a puck moving defenseman. Who else but Keith and Leddy have a real offensive game from the back end from the pool of defenseman currently on the roster? Two isn't enough with the system they play IMO.
Campoli's camp says it's just business.
The Hawks say" yeah, you were in a real nice spot, Chris to play more minutes and rush the puck up ice, but if we wanted to play you THAT kind of money, we would have OFFERED it to you. We don't. "
Campoli's camp can compare his numbers to ANY of the defensemen who just got overpaid on July 1st, and the arbiter isn't a hockey boy, he crams numbers.
I am gonnalook at this like this:
If the arbiter makes a decision that favors the hawks in a reasonable fashion he stays for a year.
It the arbiter says 2.5 million, they just walk. Without a 30 blog post volley between us, he still had a meniscus tear and he will be icing that for months after games. (Personal experience)
Unbelievable that you still think that the meniscus tear has any bearing on any of this.
Just messing with, man!
going to arbitration.......He GONE!!!
Last summer he took the Sens to arbitration after a year where he played 67 games: 4 goals and 18 points and a -3
Now he goes to arb again after a year where he played 77 games: 4 goals and 21 points and a zero plus/minus. I guess for essentially the same perfomance he and his agent will argue he deserves to double his salary with a multi-year deal. Hey why not!??!
If they go arbitration the Hawks will say bye-bye what ever the arb decision.
He's got nothing then. How can he win with those facts. Chicago should win this arbitration case. I mean seriously, if I'm the arbitrator and I see his stats are the same I'm going to lean to whoever files closest to a 10-20% raise.
I looked it up. Campoli filed for arbitration but OTT/Campoli agreed to terms before the actual hearing so there was no official ruling for him.
So, if the arbitrator rules that he should be paid $1.85 Million you think the Hawks walk from that? Where do you people get this stuff? Do your worlds have shades of gray or is everything just so black and white. Oh, "he gone" is cute so I guess you were being cute. You're wrong, but it was cute. I think the best thing that could happen for the Hawks is arbitration seeing what he was awarded last year and how his production, in spite of playing some of the season on a vastly better team than he started with, was not any better than the year before. And, I bet the Hawks are telling Frolik and Stalberg that if they can get an offer sheet, more power to them, but that the Hawks will be there willing to pay a reasonable salary when they don't get one. And, I highly, highly doubt Frolik or Stalberg get offer sheets, since no team is going to want to part with draft picks to get guys of similar skill levels to those who will be looking for contracts come October 1. Bowman is in the cat-bird seat and has handled this free agency period deftly. People will bemoan the loss of the ghost Brouwer or the highly overpaid Campbell, because that's what people do, but they will not be missed and the Hawks will be competing for a top-three seed all of next year. Book it!
We're winning the division! "We're on a mission from God"
It's good see optimism on this board for once.
moved on when he was traded! 4 plus mil per.....not to shabby for everyone's favorite ex-Hawk grinder!!!
The front loading and other mainipulations involving contracts...once again shows the sham and BS of the CBA. Thos who right the rules always find ways to get around them!!
RATED!
The hawks missed his grit because they had none last year but this guy is not an almost $5 Million per year player. Look at his playoff point production throughout his career. It's abysmal.
The Ladd train pulled away from the station long ago for this particular Hawk fan and I've not taken to revisionist history to make him one of my all-time favorite Hawks, like some have. He grazed Kesler with a blow that opened a cut on his eye and acted like he one-punched the guy. No, Ladd is not now and never will be my favorite player... NOT EVEN CLOSE! No more than Sopel or any of the other castoffs that people couldn't stand when they were here and then when they leave they are elevated to superstar and must-have status! Poppycock! Enjoy making the playoffs another time or two in your career, Laddy! Those two Cups will never tarnish so you've got that going for you.
And, on a side topic, I think the best thing that could happen to JJ at HB is for him to get his ass sued for all of his baseless acusations about Kane from his "sources", like his little niece who's probably pissed that Kane didn't want her to cuddle with him. Great "sources" journalist! Er, um, I mean, pal!
JJ really is a tool isn't he?
HUGE!
He's like a petulant child who has his handfull of followers that agree with everything he says and want to suck up to him all of the time, but any time there is a rationale argument about some position he's taken he totally decompensates and starts looking for black helicopters (i.e., you must work for the Hawks or Kane's agent if you don't see it his way!) and calling people "pal" and telling them to watch there language. I'd love for JJ to try that tactic with me in person... I'd lay his little fat ass out.
The greatest tell, though, comes from his attempt at "calling" some of the NHL moves this summer and then going back to the Hossa signing to find some credibility. He "broke" the story about Haviland getting the head job for the Jets which turns out to be total BS and then claims that the deal must have somehow fallen through -- right, because you couldn't have been wrong in your educated guess, which is what it reallly was, since most smart money was on Haviland getting the gig. But, most telling, is his revisionist history about the Hossa signing. Prior to free agency that year he speculated the Hawks could be in the market for Hossa and listed the reasons why -- to his credit, he turned out to be correct. However, the telling part is that when he was suggesting the Hawks might go after Hossa, he admitted that he had no inside information on the topic and was simply proposing it because it made sense. Now, this year, when he refers to that signing he claims that he had a source who tipped him to the signing. Now, I don't claim to have total recall of all facts, although I do have a pretty good memory when it comes to BS and on this I call BS. If anyone can point me to a post from then where he claimed a source and did not, as I suggested, specifically deny a source, I'm willing to be proven wrong. However, I'm pretty sure on this one and if my recall is correct, doesn't that tell you everything you need to know about the guy? Either way, he's a dish rag that is clearly not satisfied with the path that his life has taken and now gets extreme enjoyment writing for HB...
By the way, I'm not perpetuating this rumor, but I did hear some pretty unflattering things about JJ's personal life, which if people knew about would truly shock them. I'm not saying he's a bad guy and a lot of it may be untrue, but where there's smoke there's fire and I do believe that we will be reading some pretty dicey things about HB's resident Hawk blogger in the coming months... You heard it here first!
is people like you orchard creek when you go overboard.
Why not just say in a sentence or two that JJ information is suspect. You like to spout venom, what goes round comes around is a widely known saying many happen to beleive irregardless of religous viewpoint.
I happen to know that JJ went hunting trip/vacation with his son and missed a prospects camp one year. I don't personaly know John but when someone feels the need to introduce personal things about his life, then you really going too far. Remember the topic is hockey. You like theatre of the absurd and reality tv shows? Name calling is for weak people to fall back on. It was Marshal McLulan (sic ?) who said the message is the medium, not the person.
Orchard, you do a good job with your hockey acumen on this board, but you attacking JJ is overboard. Let it go. Accept it for what it is. If you feel he lacks creditability, you've made it very clear after many months. People aren't stupid; if you are right then you can feel confidant that they agree with you. So just drop it, unless you aren't a man and have to go on with this incessant name calling accussations.
You know what, you and others have told me that I post unecessarily long comments. You're right. I can accept that. I move on and I'm not likley to write lengthy discourse. Of course some people do sometimes and I don't see the board light up with name calling or asking them to please refrain from such wordiness. Life is short...we could all die tomorrow...and we are wasting our time calling each other names or crazy or pounding someone over and over for their sources. Drop it and move on. We know what you think by now about JJ.
Then agin, if you have nothing better to do with your time than be giddy and think you are upsetting someone, like Shantz does, now that is a person who has problems. I don't think you're that person; Shantz is fine when he sticks to hockey.